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Is FrostFire Still a viable build?
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twsX
There hasn't been a viable "frost raiding spec" since the earlier stages of WoW Classic. :)
FFB works. It works quite well.
However, FB or Arcane will usually do more damage than FFB.
Before there was dual spec, i stayed FFB because it did good in raids and yet was very comfortable for questing/farming.
However, with dual spec, i changed to FB (had around 1800 spell power at that time and FFB hit-cap), and my DPS jumped by about 500.
Mana should actually not be an issue. With Gems and Evocation every 4 minutes, you should never run out of mana. What is your rotation?
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Arcolite
Frostfire is still more than viable.
While the overall out put is indeed lower than Fire(Arc), it's still a very nice raiding spec.
It's not too far behind Fire(Arc). I don't know the actual maths, but on an equal gearing we're talking only 250-300dps behind.
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twsX
http://code.google.com/p/simulationcraft/wiki/SampleOutputT8
- Always interesting to look at.
Though, keep in mind, these are just crunched numbers.
Knowing how to play your class is always a huge factor that can't be calculated.
Post by
Meggie
Frostfire got nice blizzard ticks. And since most of the time of naxx25 is trash fights, it's good to have.
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twsX
Frostfire got nice blizzard ticks. And since most of the time of naxx25 is trash fights, it's good to have.
Trash is irrelevant.
Post by
Achloryn
in short, OP, whoever the mage was that told you that frostfire sucked..... is wrong.. I am a frostfire mage and raiding in ulduar, and usually coming out on top of the DPS meters (or close to it anyway). You should really look over
this
thread. It will show you what you want to gear for as frostfire, what your rotation should be, glyphs to use, etc etc etc.
and you can laugh in that other mages' face when you beat him on dps meters. :)
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Achloryn
While the overall out put is indeed lower than Fire(Arc)
Not true. I've been speaking to a friend in the best horde guild on my realm (13/14 // 2/4 Ulduar) most of the time their FFB mages beat the TTW/FB mages.
Imo FFB is better on some fights (Hodir, General Vex, XT Hard mode etc). FB gives better DPM but FFB gives better performance when you need to utilize buffs given by bosses or need things very dead very quickly.
not to mention the extra mana conservation is quite useful on Freya with the ridiculous amount of adds and such.
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Achloryn
There hasn't been a viable "frost raiding spec" since the earlier stages of WoW Classic. :)
That is just not true... I have a mage in my guild called Rogildx and he does some insane frost dps with a build depending on a high amount for haste rating and spell power..
now if he was frostfire or arcane, his DPS would be tons higher..
literally.. frost is not the way to go with raiding.. I think it was Mathron that said it best: (and i'm paraphrasing). Every frost mage who's putting out high numbers, could be an arcane/fire/frostfire mage who's putting out absolutely ridiculous numbers.
There is no frost build that will ever come close to the big three raid specs...
period
of course his DPS is high.. he has a lot of good gear, and a high spellpower. I would like to see what his single target dps is, and i bet you that if he were to spec into one of the 3 major specs, and learn the rotations, his dps would be even higher.
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Achloryn
To me it seems Frostfire is once again the best spec.
It may not have the best DPS in all-out standing fights but its mana is much better than Fire. When I looked at the tier 8 bonus I also noticed that it's a killer on a guy's mana. Spamming Pyroblast after Pyroblast is no fun for your mana bar. Going Frostfire is probably what every 4pc T8 mage will do when they get the gear.
with the amount of intel you get from t8+ gear, the mana cost of pyro is hardly as big an issue as you might think when you're talking about having a full 4pc t8 bonuses. granted, frostfire does have better mana efficiency, but that doesn't mean that fire/ttw is worthless due increased the more mana cost.
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