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Im a bit confused (Disco Priest)
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Post by
Patty
You should really Shield everyone for predicted raid damage, helps out with smoothing damage - a lot.
Other than that, I'm sure you can spare a couple of GCDs for the tanks.
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Gnoktish
to be a successful disc priest: sheild the tank, cast renew and Prayer of mending on the tank and you got a pretty good start-off when mob pulling or pulling a boss. when Weakend soul is gone off the tank repeatedly sheild him for the haste rating if you filled in Borrowed Time. Cast Penance only if your fighting a tough raid boss other than that, use Penance when the tank is running low on health use flash heal often to keep him up if penance is on cooldown and you need a good health boost use GH but if he is running too low on health spam Flash Heal. you may wanna spec a little in Holy for the Inspiration and Desprate Prayer. these 2 peices are very useful.
Heres a link how your talents should look like if you want to be at your best, This is my priest on Armory:
Discipline / Holy
NOTICE: Armory is going through matenience so you might not be able to see my priest's talents but no worry it'll be on soon.
Post by
cloudp
disc priests as raid heals confuses me. sure we can spam flash heal and toss a prayer of healing, but we are better suited for MT/OT healing, hands down.
let the druids and shaman and holy priests handle the raid damage. now im not saying if im healing the MT/OT that i wont heal a raid member in need, but that shouldnt be my job.
would you put a pally on raid heals? not me. i dont get it. anyone care to enlighten me?
You underestimate the power of spamshielding.
If a boss uses a periodic Aoe-heavy spell on all melee, for instance. Imagine it hits for 15000. This, coupled with other possible mechanics of the fight, would require a very very fast reaction, and possible loss of a member or two.
But... 30s is the duration of the shield. If it is up when the boss uses it and half your raid is shielded, that means 6k per shield on, say, 15 people (considering a shield per 2s), that means nothing less than 90000 damage prevented. No overheals, no problems.
For more practical examples, imagine XT-002's Tauntrum. How powerful it is to shield everyone on sight, and more than half your raid be immune to half the duration of the spell?
Post by
Synectics
disc priests as raid heals confuses me. sure we can spam flash heal and toss a prayer of healing, but we are better suited for MT/OT healing, hands down.
let the druids and shaman and holy priests handle the raid damage. now im not saying if im healing the MT/OT that i wont heal a raid member in need, but that shouldnt be my job.
would you put a pally on raid heals? not me. i dont get it. anyone care to enlighten me?
You underestimate the power of spamshielding.
If a boss uses a periodic Aoe-heavy spell on all melee, for instance. Imagine it hits for 15000. This, coupled with other possible mechanics of the fight, would require a very very fast reaction, and possible loss of a member or two.
But... 30s is the duration of the shield. If it is up when the boss uses it and half your raid is shielded, that means 6k per shield on, say, 15 people (considering a shield per 2s), that means nothing less than 90000 damage prevented. No overheals, no problems.
I agree with zanzibarr here. Disco's aren't
meant
to be raid healers. Can we do it? Sure. Just like a Holy Paladin COULD. But it's not
ideal
.
For more practical examples, imagine XT-002's Tauntrum. How powerful it is to shield everyone on sight, and more than half your raid be immune to half the duration of the spell?
I throw my shield to everyone in sight during AOE phases -- such as XT -- even when I'm MT or OT healing. Holy Priests rarely use PW:S, and even if so, a Disco's will be better (assuming equal-ish gear). Sure, the damage absorption is nice, but the main reason I do it is
Rapture
-- you are not only getting mana back, but you're giving an alternate version of Replenishment to anyone you shield -- a Replenishment that does ALL forms of power.
I constantly toss PW:S around the raid for that reason, meaning that yes, I'm doing exactly what you mentioned, cloudp. But the difference is, I'm assigned to MT or OT healing -- meaning that I'm offering the same benefit as if I were raid healing even though I'm not.
Post by
turkey
To cloudp: Yes, shield spamming is a viable candidate for raid healing. However, if you know you're going to be raid healing, imo it's a waste not going holy. It's so much better suited and more powerful.
Disc priests do, however, make amazing hybrid healers that can keep a tank up and provide a lot of raid support simultaneously and efficiently.
To Gnotkish: Yes, that's pretty much the cookie-cutter rotation (I'll quibble with the GH and Renew part a bit) for a tank healing disc priest, but I don't think that's maximizing all the potential effectiveness the spec has to offer in 25 mans. You should have plenty of mana to spare for PW:S's for the raid, as well as PoH's. Doing so also helps to maximize your utilization of Borrowed Time.
To the op:
Typically I am selected as raid healer, and only on high tank damage fights am i selected for MT/OT heals.
Time to invest in dual spec holy/disc.
Post by
cloudp
I probably wasn't clear, but i was explaining why Discipline is a possible raid healer; It surely isn't the optimal spec.
However, remember the synergy in a raid. A discipline on raid healing with shield-spamming is making the work easier for all his other healers - a very unique job which can help some guilds progressing. The ability to "heal" most of the raid before the damage heappens gives more room for mistakes; At least for first attempts, this is undoubtedly an advantage and something to be considered. Maybe it isn't as good when people have all boss abilities memorised and begin casts accordingly; but for fight exploration, i love this kind of mechanic.
Of course, Holy is still the best AoE healing spec a Priest can have.
Post by
ande9249
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bVcbuhhVRGsff0tcezcc
could be a fun spec for the OP, taking out some of the pure
tanking
helps
but not taking out the
big
guns
, but granting some
mana
/
haste
efficency for the spells more often used while raid healing, which if your PW:S's are not resulting in a rapture, could be an important feature
I always advocate spell warding for divine fury, but to each his own, and if you must have Pain supression, move the point over from desparate prayer...
Post by
ZoraLink
This thread is driving me to tears.
Post by
Synectics
This thread is driving me to tears.
I had a similar moment in the middle of a /facepalm:
Usually I am the only disco priest... Am I supposed to be PW:S the tank on CD? Typically I am selected as
raid healer
,
sheild the tank, cast renew and Prayer of mending on the tank and you got a pretty good start-off when mob pulling or pulling a boss. when Weakend soul is gone off the tank repeatedly sheild him for the haste rating if you filled in Borrowed Time. Cast Penance only if your fighting a tough raid boss other than that, use Penance when the tank is running low on health use flash heal often to keep him up if penance is on cooldown and you need a good health boost use GH but if he is running too low on health spam Flash Heal. you may wanna spec a little in Holy for the Inspiration and Desprate Prayer. these 2 peices are very useful.
Props for completely ignoring the OP? :P
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Synectics
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Very good explanation, and nice examples.
Something to be stressed here is that Disco's are not INCAPABLE of raid healing. Clearly, it is an option, and one that shouldn't be ignored. However, it's also not the most
ideal
.
It really depends on the raid make-up. A lot of different combinations work, even though normal "common sense" would tell you it wouldn't.
My very first Naxx10 (and this was when it first came out, so no one was over-geared) was run by only two healers -- myself and a Holy Paladin. We split the groups into one tank, one healer, three DPS each, and each healer was responsible for their group. It worked out fabulously (yes, I used that word). We had no wipes, despite some of us having never done the fights.
It's not normal, but it worked great for us. Apply that little anecdote to Disco's raid healing for some win. :)
Post by
ZoraLink
...
Very good explanation, and nice examples.
Something to be stressed here is that Disco's are not INCAPABLE of raid healing. Clearly, it is an option, and one that shouldn't be ignored. However, it's also not the most
ideal
.
It really depends on the raid make-up. A lot of different combinations work, even though normal "common sense" would tell you it wouldn't.
My very first Naxx10 (and this was when it first came out, so no one was over-geared) was run by only two healers -- myself and a Holy Paladin. We split the groups into one tank, one healer, three DPS each, and each healer was responsible for their group. It worked out fabulously (yes, I used that word). We had no wipes, despite some of us having never done the fights.
It's not normal, but it worked great for us. Apply that little anecdote to Disco's raid healing for some win. :)
Disc can raid heal fairly effectively in 10 mans, but when you multiple the number of people by 2.5, it quickly loses viability. As has been stressed, it can be DONE, but it's just... ick. (I had to raid heal for 25 man Koralon and hated it. 2 disc priests, 2 holy paladins and a druid? Well the tanks were fine...)
Also, reading the first sentence of your opening post OP, I don't think you DO understand the role of the discipline priest at all.....
... :(
Post by
karlusdavius
I feel that disciple should not be "raid" healing as such, but i do feel that we have to watch out of debuff much more than any other heal since our shields can save a raid member. Disc should not be asked to raid heal, but we should always keep an eye out for someone who just dropped to 20% or below, as we can gief that 4 - 5k damage buffer instantly with really no skin off our own noses to which the raid healers, who probably have their work cut out for them, to respond and get him back up.
We are a class that should be used to aid a raid healer, not to be a raid healer.
Post by
OscarDivine
We are a class that should be used to aid a raid healer, not to be a raid healer.
That.
now what I find funny is Disco priests and the sentiment they have about being great at everything. People who play disco priests sometimes feel that they're the best single target healers (which, in my opinion, they are) but as well excellent multi-target healers (which, in my opinion, they're not).
However, when a HOLY priest says, "hey! I can MT heal!" disco priests jump on them and say, "oh hell no you can't! you just don't have the tools!"
Well, to you disco priests (one of which is myself), you can raid heal if you like, but Holy has better tools for it!
My Holy priest can MT heal just fine, but would I be better at it as Disco? Sure! Can a Disco Priest Raid Heal? Sure! Would they be better off as Holy? Damn right! Any disco priest who has delusions that they can raid heal half as well and efficiently as a holy priest needs to get their head examined. ;-) And any holy priest who thinks they can MT Heal as well as a Disco priest is high on themselves.
Post by
karlusdavius
We are a class that should be used to aid a raid healer, not to be a raid healer.
That.
now what I find funny is Disco priests and the sentiment they have about being great at everything. People who play disco priests sometimes feel that they're the best single target healers (which, in my opinion, they are) but as well excellent multi-target healers (which, in my opinion, they're not).
However, when a HOLY priest says, "hey! I can MT heal!" disco priests jump on them and say, "oh hell no you can't! you just don't have the tools!"
Well, to you disco priests (one of which is myself), you can raid heal if you like, but Holy has better tools for it!
My Holy priest can MT heal just fine, but would I be better at it as Disco? Sure! Can a Disco Priest Raid Heal? Sure! Would they be better off as Holy? Damn right! Any disco priest who has delusions that they can raid heal half as well and efficiently as a holy priest needs to get their head examined. ;-) And any holy priest who thinks they can MT Heal as well as a Disco priest is high on themselves.
QFT.
I think we should end this discussion now, as there are a lot of views here which really do seem to be bad judgments on disc and raid healing.
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