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Post by
Billa
So, as of lately, there has been a lot of threads here on Wowhead conserning Master Looters abusing their power in PUG's. I tried to come up with a new looting system, and I came up with an idea, with a few slight variations.
Vote for loot V1
- step by step
Boss is dead, everyone do a /cheer and collect their emblem.
Then, everybody can view the loot
Next, someone (totally random member, it doesn't matter) could link one item for people to roll for.
After the rolling is completed, and someone won it, everybody would click on the item, then click on the persons name, to give their vote for him to get it.
The person with the most votes, gets the item.
With this idea, you will only need 6+ / 13+ of the members to be honorable.
If two people came out with the same amount of votes, it would be auto-rolled for, and given to the one most lucky.
Vote for loot V2
- step by step
Same as above
Same as above
Same as above
Now, a given player (which is a Master Looter with only half of the power) would click one the person that won the rolling, via the item.
Then, everyone in the raid would get a confirmation box popping up (like a ready check) and people have to accept that the loot is given to the player chosen by the 'ML'.
If the majority accept it, the loot will be given. If not (because of the 'ML' giving it to someone that lost the roll for instance) the 'ML' would be demoted and someone else, totally randomly, would be given the power in stead, with a chanse to correct the errors the previous 'ML' did.
I know my idea isn't perfect, but I just want to know what you think about it, so please leave a comment if you got something constructive to say. If anyone wants to tweak my idea into something better, that would be cool :)
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329588
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Post by
Billa
what if you are pug'ed in to a 80% guildrun?
:)
Iv'e been in guildruns where the ML gives the loot to one of the guildies even if he/she lost the roll.
(there were no agreement before the raid started that the loot would go to the guild members first)
Didn't think about that... =/
Most guilds have fine rules about loot when pugging a few though... Anyway the entire system requires people to be honest anyhow :p
You got me there
Post by
killerpet
If you dont trust the master looter dont pug with them. Dont be afraid to ask in /2 if they are a ninja.
Post by
Billa
If you dont trust the master looter dont pug with them. Dont be afraid to ask in /2 if they are a ninja.
Lets keep it on the topic.
Post by
sdkphoenix
We dont need complicated loot systems. What we got is good enough. If it's not working for you then you might want to form your own guild and not allow anyone that uses the same stuff as you in.
Post by
killerpet
If you dont trust the master looter dont pug with them. Dont be afraid to ask in /2 if they are a ninja.
Lets keep it on the topic.
Just putting my opinion across. I usually lead my own PUG's so MLing isnt a major problem since i am very honest.
Back on topic:
The idea doesnt sound terrible but might be a bit confusing (or annoying) for puggers to do. Most of the time 70% of the raid wont care about a particular item (May it be a tanking sword, a healing shield or a DPS sword) and dont want to make decisions about it. They just continue on with their business.
This would also slow down the looting process which is something people also dont want (they like killing things, getting loots if they drop for them and continuing to kill more things). A variation on the need before greed (i think thats the one) where you can only roll on an item if you can use it might be better. Something like you can only roll on the item if its for your spec (or dual spec) and if noone in the raid has that spec everyone gets to roll need/greed on it.
The main thing you need to look out for is a system which is easy to use and not complicated. The current need/greed system has this and the master looter option only requires one person to handle all the complicated decisions.
Other than that for the time being you just have to hope to god that the master looter knows what he/she is doing.
Post by
Billa
I see your points, and I admit I didn't really worry about the efficiency when I came up with this, but I realize that might be a problem. However, when so many seem to complain about master looters abusing their role, if raids wanted to make sure they werent ripped off, I think this is a solution for people that wants to ensure that those that deserve the loot gets it.
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292710
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Post by
pak52b
simple.. need before greed, main over offspec.. boe items can be raidrolled.
if you had an item on need basis, you are behind the others in line for other items.
main spec is that what you got taken into the raid for..
announce it before the raid so everyone knows.. time consuming? no.. fair? i think so.. no need to reinvent the wheel ^^
i do like seeing ppl try to be fair. :-)
Post by
Billa
Well, In my the guild I was in before I quit everyone (at least every officer) was honest about loot, taking it serious. So they would tell people to give it to whoever rolled highest, be it guilded or unguilded.
And to the defense of it might being a bit stressful and such, I failed to come up with anything that would ensure the safety of drops while making it as easy as ML is. I think some complicated loot system is needed for make sure the ninjaes cant abuse it.
edit @pak52b - Read my post and then post next time, thank you. what you said is the common loot rules, and doesnt have anything to do with this thread, as we are not discussing loot rules but how to deal with master looters that ninja the gear.
Post by
Billa
We dont need complicated loot systems. What we got is good enough. If it's not working for you then you might want to form your own guild and not allow anyone that uses the same stuff as you in.
Didn't see this post before now, so ill reply a bit late :p
If you read my post then I said this idea is supposed to help with ninja master looters, since there has been a lot of people complaining about that happening through various threads here on Wowhead. My guild was perfect, since everyone was honest, so ill quote myself to respond to your post
Lets keep it on the topic.
Post by
blademeld
@pak52b - Read my post and then post next time, thank you. what you said is the common loot rules, and doesnt have anything to do with this thread, as we are not discussing loot rules but how to deal with master looters that ninja the gear.
Then what are we talking about?
This system you're proposing is regarding prevention of Master Looters Ninja'ing the items, but when 2 people said the current system is fine and that you could just be a bit more careful, adding little tips on how to, you tell them to stay on topic.
Just what is it that you're expecting to hear? Are you going to say it's not on topic every time someone says that this is not worth the time?
Post by
cms2k
Both ideas are poor at best. I understand that in only one circumstance you want to prevent a ninja-master-looter however the only thing I see is a popularity vote. The concept does nothing more than promote a BKB team and them giving their members gear. The random roll of "/roll" is perfectly fair way of distributing loot. Presuming of course the loot master can get the gear to the correct person.
Continued multiple posts is not going to chance the fact that the OP's idea is a bad one.
Post by
Billa
Then what are we talking about?
This system you're proposing is regarding prevention of Master Looters Ninja'ing the items, but when 2 people said the current system is fine and that you could just be a bit more careful, adding little tips on how to, you tell them to stay on topic.
Just what is it that you're expecting to hear? Are you going to say it's not on topic every time someone says that this is not worth the time?
1) I quit wow
2) I was in an honest guild
3) Each time I said someone should stay on topic was when they gave me hints or tips on how to avoid having such problems, which is not what I asked about.
4) I expected to know what people thought of my ideas, very few actually managed to do so.
5) Anything else?
Post by
pak52b
pak52b - Read my post and then post next time, thank you. what you said is the common loot rules, and doesnt have anything to do with this thread, as we are not discussing loot rules but how to deal with master looters that ninja the gear.
i did read your post.. and i was commenting on exactly that.
sorry, but the only way to do that (without having blizzard have a completely neutral party decide or make everyone click yes or something weird like that (which btw, would still cause problems as we all know...)) is just not to a) pug b) let someone else be master looter...
even if you are fair and all that, ppl are still going to complain. in a guild you cant even perfectly please everyone with dkp´, and in a pug even less so.
do you know what will solve the problem? grouping with mature players who know what theyre doing, and attempt to be fair themselves without relying on a persons interpretation of what the dice mean.
its human nature that ppl tend to be greedy and see their goals over others - kids are even more susceptible to stuff like that. maturity > RNG.
not dissing youre system, but it wont solve your problems.
and, just what happens (using voa as example) if someones class doesnt drop.. theyre in a pug.. they could care less which of the warlocks gets the t7.. at least not if youre in a group like that, which, you having to think of an elaborate system, makes me think you land in more often.
/wave
Post by
Billa
i did read your post.. and i was commenting on exactly that.
You wrote the common looting rules, as opposed to actually commenting on my idea but okey, I'll leave that dead.
Thanks for a long, in-depth reply, I see your points and understand what you mean. I would like to point out that this is not my problem, I was just trying to find a solution to all the "ML stole my loot" threads on Wowhead as of late.
Thanks
/wave
/wave
Post by
pak52b
the reason i wrote them, is because i think they suffice for pugs and most groups.
no system is foolproof if left in human hands or interpretation.
the only way to get a "foolproof" system is something like group loot, limited to classes that can use the item. people would have to live with the roll. but hey.. im a warrior.. i can use that weapon as well.. AND i can wear cloth / leather / mail... so that wont work either.. (and blizzard wouldnt make it even if they did)
Post by
buzz3070
yeah i dont think we need to change loot systems to prevent ninjas or dumb master looters as those things are almost inevtible to come across while playing wow.
Post by
DracRomin
That is the worst idea I've ever heard.
The systems we currently have work perfectly fine.
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