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How to regen 25K+ mana as Disc (Int+Crit build)
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117913
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Post by
cawfee
This is interesting. Regen and longevity are currently one of my main areas of interest. How do you think 3.2 and the changes to mp5 will affect this overall? One would think that their attempts at leveraging mana regen back to normal levels would also bring us back to "classic" itemization over choosing alternate paths such as this one.
Would be interesting to carry it over to the PTR and do some performance tests there regarding the new numbers. Regardless, that's impressive and fun to watch. Thanks for sharing.
Post by
karlusdavius
I have been talking with the top Disc priest on our server who has the hammer. He and i both agreed that Pandora's Plea and Greatness Deck are BiS for disc because we get so, so much from Int.
Stacking Crit and Int is the way to go at the moment. Just like a Holy Paladin.
Post by
Ethix
I think enchanting 63sp and 28sp on your main hand and gloves is more worthwhile than 30int and 10 crit strike rating.
Besides nit picking those two enchants, I'm jealous your disc and I'm not :(
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117913
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Post by
Slimda
You're thinking of
this
one. +128 Intellect.
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Post by
Paolo
What fights are you having mana/longevity issues on? I fiend maybe twice a night, hymn only if I'm brezzed, and pot once a week. Judging by your achieves, we're in roughly the same zone of content. If mana is a struggle, I recommend trading your glyph of PoH for Flash Heal. And casting PoH less! :)
Plus, as the saying goes, "the best mp5 is more dps." (I.e. -- are you running low on mana for other reasons? Like not enough raid healers, or not enough dps?)
...and getting as many crits as possible to make up for the spell power.DA bubbles rock. But even now that they stack, crit doesn't hold a candle to SP for throughput, and int's contribution to crit is minor. IOW, using int as a throughput stat is extremely weak.
I am genuinely curious about your love of int...I just don't find mana an issue at the moment. And with one of our main spells receiving nearly zero benefit from crit (I'm looking at you, bubble), stacking spellpower is a more direct and balanced way to achieve higher throughput. Don't get me wrong -- crit is good, it's just that spellpower is better.
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Post by
OscarDivine
I respectfully disagree with the premise of this build simply because... well, these are ALREADY Disco's strengths and you shouldn't be having an issue with mana. If you are, then you're playing it wrong and you should investigate different techniques.
A disco priest should already be stacking Int and Crit, but perhaps not to the extent that you are. Getting to over 30k mana is a great achievement but it's really not necessary. I bet you end each boss fight with more than 3/4 of a mana bar left over. Where did all of that extra mana get you?
As well, crit is certainly nice to have but I don't think that you should be ignoring spell power for it. After all, your DA is BASED on your critical heal magnitude as well. Is making slightly more weaker bubbles really the answer?
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387103
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Post by
OscarDivine
At the end of the day, you can be left with this question:
"Ok, then .... well, what -should- I gem and enchant for if I am a Discipline priest?"
I vote Spell Power. You really can't go wrong having more Spell power and tougher bubbles.
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Post by
turkey
I have been talking with the top Disc priest on our server who has the hammer. He and i both agreed that Pandora's Plea and Greatness Deck are BiS for disc because we get so, so much from Int.
I posted this elsewhere, but I'll be passing on Pandora's for
Meteorite Crystal
. Pandora's proc is wasted on a healer imo.
Post by
OscarDivine
a huge spellpower proc is absolutely NOT wasted on your healer. What if you were to say that there were a trinket on your tank that would decrease damage taken by an additional 255 when critically healed? I would think THAT is worth it.
When the proc is active your DA's will be that much tougher and your heals that much more powerful. Wasted on a healer? I don't even know what to say...
108 intellect for... what other type of class then would you suggest turkey? I can't think of a BETTER recipient for this trinket than a healer.
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56987
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Post by
turkey
No dps is going to fight you for
Meteorite Crystal
. If you need this much int from a trinket so badly, why not go for the one itemized for regen?
I currently equip
Eye of the Broodmother
and
Illustration of the Dragon Soul
99% of the time anyway. My mana pool is over 28k, I have almost 3k self buffed sp (this is without my 4 pc bonus that I'll be getting in two days), and I only oom if the dps screw up horribly. Since I don't need the int, convince me that 10 random secs of over 800 sp is better than having 325 sp ALL THE TIME and I might buy what you all are selling.
well, these are ALREADY Disco's strengths and you shouldn't be having an issue with mana. If you are, then you're playing it wrong and you should investigate different techniques.
QFT
Spell power is the one stat disc gets ONLY from gear. Until I run into a fight where I oom, I'll stick with stacking it on my trinkets.
Post by
Paolo
Since I don't need the int, convince me that 10 random secs of over 800 sp is better than having 325 sp ALL THE TIME and I might buy what you all are selling.
Your math is all emo. You're trading in PP for only
one
of your trinkets, not both.
PP = 108 int, which is really 136 after Mental Strength and Kings. Ignoring the effect on your base mana pool and regen for the moment, 136 int contributes 0.82% crit, which is equivalent to 37 crit rating. Not as much as Broodmother, but more than a regen-only trinket provides.
The random proc effect is of course harder to calculate, but it's been estimated to be equivalent to anywhere from 88 to 150 or more static spell power.
So, to compare with Broodmother (a closer match than Dragon Soul), and for now ignoring the difference in mechanics:
-50 crit (a little over 1%)
approximately equal spellpower (debatable, of course)
+136 int (about 2k mana, plus regen effects)
Plus: If you're still using
IED
(as most disc priests are) and having no mana problems, you're then free to switch to
BED
or
ESD
for your meta, because of the increased int and regen from PP. (PP provides approximately 85 mp5, which is comparable to, if slightly superior to, IED's regen.) This brings the base crit values even closer, leaving just a tremendous mana benefit for almost no manifest loss. If you aren't still using IED, this is of course a moot point.
Spell power is the one stat disc gets ONLY from gear. Until I run into a fight where I oom, I'll stick with stacking it on my trinkets.
I'll agree with you there. (All of my gems are SP as well.) I currently have Broodmother and Dragon Soul equipped. Pandora would be a third trinket to work with (I don't have it yet); none of them would get sharded. My point is not that Pandora is always superior to the SP trinkets, but that it should not be dismissed merely as wasted mana and a healer-unfriendly proc.
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