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How to make the perfect Ambush?
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Remx
lol.
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badapples
Here is my opinion on Subtlety:
Outside of BGs, I think it's almost completely worthless.
For leveling and dueling/arena, you face too many high-armored opponents to do a great deal of damage, and your opening strike is so much less effective, that you just can't keep a steady DPS anyways.
However, my justification for subt in pug BGs, everyone has a specific job. I think that subt. rogues should almost always go for locks, mages, preists, and non-feral druids. With their low armor, your ambush and susbsequent attacks do a hell of a lot more, and very quickly, at that, making us one of the most effective clothie-killer. Just my opinion.
But I prefer combat, just because you aren't restricted to clothies.
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Wildhorn
Here is my opinion on Subtlety:
Outside of BGs, I think it's almost completely worthless.
For leveling and dueling/arena, you face too many high-armored opponents to do a great deal of damage, and your opening strike is so much less effective, that you just can't keep a steady DPS anyways.
However, my justification for subt in pug BGs, everyone has a specific job. I think that subt. rogues should almost always go for locks, mages, preists, and non-feral druids. With their low armor, your ambush and susbsequent attacks do a hell of a lot more, and very quickly, at that, making us one of the most effective clothie-killer. Just my opinion.
But I prefer combat, just because you aren't restricted to clothies.
Can you tell me where in combat tree you have something that is more effective vs none-clothies?
Subtely have armor bypass, increased Rupture damage, Garrot energy cost reduction
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badapples
Can you tell me where in combat tree you have something that is more effective vs none-clothies?
Subtely have armor bypass, increased Rupture damage, Garrot energy cost reduction
Bottom line: Subt is based upon large, 1 shot burst hits, which just aren't possible with high-armored players. Sorry, but armor bypassing won't do shit.
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Wildhorn
Can you tell me where in combat tree you have something that is more effective vs none-clothies?
Subtely have armor bypass, increased Rupture damage, Garrot energy cost reduction
Bottom line: Subt is based upon large, 1 shot burst hits, which just aren't possible with high-armored players. Sorry, but armor bypassing won't do shit.
That didnt answer my question
Me: Prove me Orange is better than Yellow
You: Yellow is not Blue!
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Remx
The subtlety tree is not all about trying to one-shot anything. The subtlety-based arena specs certainly are not. Subtlety builds are extremely prevalent in the top tiers of arena competition, the most common being ARPrep. The real allure is the survivability, higher mobility and superior control offered by the subtlety tree.
For example
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZhfVbbVzxM0RZxrfoMGRob
Badapples, I suggest you focus on expanding your own knowledge of the rogue class; it seems you've got an awful lot to learn.
Bottom line: Subt is based upon large, 1 shot burst hits, which just aren't possible with high-armored players. Sorry, but armor bypassing won't do shit.
Case in point; you're clueless.
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badapples
Fine, I've been proven wrong. I tend to stay away from the arena, since I don't really enjoy it that much, so obviously I don't know much about it.
However, the question still remains of the "Perfect Ambush", and honestly, I wouldn't use Ambush often enough to validate time and skill points spent solely on the fact that you're trying to get a little more damage packed in.
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Post by
PDonz
Okay, About Ambush..
Prem. - Cheap shot - Master of Sub. - Shadow step - Trinket? - Eviscerate (Relentless Strike Proc) > Ambush / Shadow step - Ambush.
"Buh Buh Buh, Ambush crits a lot ?!1"
NO.
Game Over.
Post by
lynche
I think the only time I've used ambush seriously was for solo rep grinding. For the 20 seconds of remorseless attacks, it's always a crit. Couple the big numbers with shadowstep and your tedious grind has almost become fun. Is another method faster or more efficient? Probably, but this is a good excuse to use ambush. Yeah, I need an excuse to use it.
Ambush is a lot like fat girls or mopeds. You use it but you don't tell your friends about it.
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