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How do I endure HL spamming?
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Post by
trademen
I've been away from my paladin for a while now and I'm started gearing him up again. He's not the best, around 24k mana self buffed. I can heal any heroic easy, but I find that I usually end up resorting to HL a lot when I heal 10 and 25 VoA. With
DI
I can usually make it out of a HL spam with most of my mana intact, but once it's on CD or if a spam session lasts longer than the 15 seconds...I'm dead in the water. It's not to say the raid wipes, but it usually means me burning pots/using lay on hands. I've seen other pallies who are pretty much only spaming HL, but they are walking around with over 30k mana unbuffed.
The main point of that molehill of text is this. When can I / What quality of gear do I need to start spamming HL without being on the edge of going oom any second?
here's my armory of course.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Wildhammer&n=Cursebreaker
Post by
pezz
Some of your gems are not int gems, which is bad. Getting the Libram which reduces the cost of HL would help you. Otherwise you more or less seem to know what you're doing, even if you aren't exactly breaking the bank in your gems/enchants choices.
You'll have to tell us a bit more about your healing style. If you're just tank healing there isn't a gigantic amount of HL spamming that should be necessary in a well executed VoA run with a geared tank. If you're raid healing feel free to pop DP and let the other raid healer(s) take over while you recover.
I also recommend you change your spec to the sub-prot one in my guide in my signature. Using DS+DP to prevent a lot of raid damage rather than using panicky HL spams to heal it up later will save you a lot of mana. Once you do that I'd recommend replacing glyph of Divinity with the Beacon glyph. Once you lose Benediction from respeccing it will actually end up saving you more mana per second.
If you find that none of that helps see my sig or point six here:
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=131546
Post by
trademen
My healing style is usually BoLing the off tank, while keeping Sacred Shield up on my main, all the while FoL spamming the main. This usually keeps both tanks topped off or at least around the 80% mark. But for some reason, the moment I'm forced to move, re beacon the off tank, or even take up a GCD for judging the boss,, it seems like both tank's health starts falling like a rock.
Post by
pezz
Keep movement to a minimum (you don't have to run all the way across the room, you only have to move just to one side of the fire), get the Beacon glyph so you can refresh it less often, and apply HS liberally whenever a tank loses too much health.
Do you regularly raid with the same tanks? Armory links of them would be nice if you do. If that 'falling like a rock' wasn't an exaggeration it almost sounds like your tanks are slightly undergeared. But then again, FoL spam probably wouldn't be good enough to keep them up if they were.
Post by
trademen
Keep movement to a minimum (you don't have to run all the way across the room, you only have to move just to one side of the fire), get the Beacon glyph so you can refresh it less often, and apply HS liberally whenever a tank loses too much health.
Do you regularly raid with the same tanks? Armory links of them would be nice if you do. If that 'falling like a rock' wasn't an exaggeration it almost sounds like your tanks are slightly undergeared. But then again, FoL spam probably wouldn't be good enough to keep them up if they were.
I'm more of "the friend that is a healer". I don't usually introduce myself as a raider, I'm more or an achievement addict really. I never really know when I'm going to be raiding, I'll be on doing dailies or something, and a friend will whisper me saying "need healer for 25 VOA, want in?" or something along those lines. I see the tank for the first time 5 minutes before I start healing. I've only recently been looking at gearing my paladin up for raiding on a regular basis. I don't even know how much health I should expect the tank to have, I just heal what ever I'm given really.
Post by
pezz
So it's not a tank problem. For now, fix your gems, Libram, and glyph, and change your spec and see if that doesn't help your mana last longer. Also try to find times in fights where you can get away with grabbing a few ticks of DP. Using HoSac with DP might help, for example.
Post by
trademen
So it's not a tank problem. For now, fix your gems, Libram, and glyph, and change your spec and see if that doesn't help your mana last longer. Also try to find times in fights where you can get away with grabbing a few ticks of DP. Using HoSac with DP might help, for example.
okay, also a quick question. does Hand of Sac and Divine Sacfifice stack?
Post by
pezz
To be honest I'm not sure. If they do stack though it'll almost certainly be multiplicative, meaning they would not be as effective as if you used them separately. But it would be safer to use them both together since you can bubble through both of them, in that case.
Post by
biogoo
They dont stack. But with the upcoming change to the DivSac (6 sec duration), you will be able to use them both during your bubble.
And thanks to other changes, you will be able to use them again in 2 minutes even if your bubble is not up (DivProt will suffice, or HoP for physical damage).
Post by
Lorkin
As pezz has said, change your glyph and gem for more int. I find HL spamming to much easier if I have more crit rating. You have 20 talents in Prot, if you switched those over to Ret you can get an additional 8% Holy crit chance. Crit works wonders for HL spamming due to
Illumination
in terms of mana efficiency, not as good as before the nerf but still. Also having an almost permanent crit HL boosts your heal throughput through the roof. You should technically have mana replenishment from your raid group, else blame it on the poor raid leader. That should give you more flexibility in terms of mana longevity.
You have 26% Holy Crit chance where I have 36% Holy Crit chance. Almost all my HL's are crits, and with Beacon I can keep 2 tanks up for an extended period of time. Also HL healing isn't really spamming, you have to time it correctly so that it heals for when you need it to heal. Spamming HL and having it land .5 seconds before the tank takes a hit isn't very efficient because it just doesn't count. Just practice and it'll come naturally.
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