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How are you ferals killing healers?
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flurkk
^that, except you need your partner to make sure you don't get CCed while you pop berserk. wasting berserk in an arena = very bad situation
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Lightrain
A good way to kill a priest, try to get him to blow pain suppression on a TF burst, then cyclone him, and try for a restealth and blow zerker this time with a SR right before you restealth. This is amazingly effective if you have a healer with you. Pretty tough a lot of the time with a dual dps team. Since I play with a haunt warlock, I've been known to restealth 2-3 times during a match if they are stupid. =) If he survives till I come back, it's almost always a win.
Generally when I kill the healer they are trying to save their trinket till later, and end up dieing for it.
I'm not a fan of blowing your stunlock, then popping zerker on a TF. This gives you less nuking time while he can't heal without blowing a CD, meanwhile, if you pop zerker right before opening, you have full energy for the full duration, then a TF after getting a 1-3cp SR and a 5CP rip up with some spare CP's means a good deal of ownage all at once.
PS-
I had to solo a resto druid in arena, and did manage it. It was very tough, and came down to the wire on my innervate CD. Popped that(second time during the fight), spammed myself with heals after cycloning the resto, then got back to work on him and jumped him with a SR>5cp>cyclone>Rip>shred>TF>zerker>maim>shred spam for a very close kill to his swiftment.
You just have to be careful that he doesn't get you with his DoT's+thorns. This guy was sure he would kill me and I interupted his wraths a few times when he had no HoT's up and got him really close quite a few times.
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Bazar
I'd argue that killing a healer isn't a problem that only feral druids suffer from. And i'm quite happy with the dps vs healing war that we have.
Its true that we don't have mortal strike effect, but we have other abilities that come into play, from being able to take damage, self-heal, and innervate. If we were given MS, i feel that we'd have to be nerfed, i'd certainaly destroy any healer in a matter of seconds.
I'll give some tips however.
Don't burst down a healer, it isn't going to happen if they have the resilience for it. That only happens in low end arena.
Instead, work on maximising your dps. Don't burn berserk off the bat, thats a terrible waste of a cooldown. Save it for when the healer is going to be struggling.
Fighting a holy paladin, they can take forever to kill, key points. Bleeds.
pounce, rake, mangle, shred.
DO NOT BURST.
Savage roar.
Paladin heals to full, thats to be expected.
shred him up, you'll struggle to get him under 80%. at 5 points, rip.
Keep mangle and rake up all times.
Now were talking, he'll be taking a LOT of damage... you have 2 options here, you'll need to decide which is best.
You can attempt to burst him down/bubble. Its a 3 minute timer, but its effective. Lay those shreds into him, when hes at 50% and casting a large heal, maim, you'll stun him, interrupt his heal, and even prevent him from bubbling for 3 seconds. With luck he'll die just there, if not, you have to wait for bubble to wear off, build some CP on his partner, roar, and return to bleeding up the paladin.
The very best holy paladins manage to stay alive, but run out of mana over the course of 2 minutes. The average pallys die before they bubble, or shortly there after.
If your going to fight a tree druid, i understand that they have the best healing in 2v2, but the thing with trees is that although their healing throughput is fantastic, it takes so much time to build up momentum.
I used to be able to destoy them very quickly if i caught them out of tree form with a pounce, but the new patch might of fixed that.
Eitherway, the best way to deal with them is good teamwork with your partner.
You'll need to keep roar up at all times, and learn to swap targets.
If you see lifebloomx3, regrowth, rejuive ticking away on your scraching post, your doing nothing but wasting time, swap to his partner, work on him, if he gets hotted up, switch back.
You'll need to work with your teamate carefully vs a tree. Purge his buffs, hammer stun at a good time, mana burn/dispell him, or even timing your cyclones to interupt his heals, let lifebloom fall off, and allow the cat to regenerate energy are all valid tactics.
And keep in mind, although he has innervate, so do you, give it to your partner if hes struggling with mana.
VS a priest.
This is a dangerious fight.
Priests will usally make a beeline to your healer and mana-burn. This can work to your advantage however.
Always focus on the priest, interupt any mana burns he attempts, and stay stuck on him like glue.
The priest will probably fear you away, use berserk, bleed him up, go nuts on his dps, but don't attempt a burst unless your sure it'll work.
The key will be to keep on him,and keep those bleeds rolling.
If the bleeds are rolling, he'll have no time to manaburn when he fears you away, if he even attempts to mana burn with those bleeds in progress, once you leap back and maim him, he'll be dead before maim wears off.
Key points, when he summons his mana regen shadow fiend, try to kite it. Its not immune to taunt, so if hes cast on your partner, throw it a taunt. If its on you, you can out-run it, or with a pally healer, get him to taunt it off you.
Divine hymn will regenerate a ton of the preists mana, maim it asap.
Don't let the priest drink, and you'll run him out of mana.
Just pray you don't encounter a disc/hunter combo... I'm still not sure how to best fight that combo.
Priests have a lot of mana regeneration abilties that can be countered, their mana burn is the most dangerious thing in the arena to a healer, stay stuck on the disc priest and you can prevent him from using it without getting himself killed. Your healer should also be doing his part to duck out of LoS when he sees it being cast/setup.
In summery i suppose its this. We don't need MS, certinally not the 50% damage reduction. Yes rogues and other classes have it, but they can be countered a lot more effectivly.
As a druid we can't be feared easily, we can't be rooted, snared, sheeped, we just stay stuck on our targets, and the small reprieves they can obtain only makes our return more damaging due to extra energy.
JUST DON'T BURST HEALERS DOWN. It won't happen vs an equally geared healer.
Also don't go nuts on resilliance. If your stacking as much resilliance as possible instead of agility, its no surprise you can't kill anything. As long as you aren't dieing you have enough resilliance, focus on getting more agility
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I'd argue that killing a healer isn't a problem that only feral druids suffer from. And i'm quite happy with the dps vs healing war that we have.
Its true that we don't have mortal strike effect, but we have other abilities that come into play, from being able to take damage, self-heal, and innervate. If we were given MS, i feel that we'd have to be nerfed, i'd certainaly destroy any healer in a matter of seconds.
I'll give some tips however.
Don't burst down a healer, it isn't going to happen if they have the resilience for it. That only happens in low end arena.
Instead, work on maximising your dps. Don't burn berserk off the bat, thats a terrible waste of a cooldown. Save it for when the healer is going to be struggling.
Fighting a holy paladin, they can take forever to kill, key points. Bleeds.
pounce, rake, mangle, shred.
DO NOT BURST.
Savage roar.
Paladin heals to full, thats to be expected.
shred him up, you'll struggle to get him under 80%. at 5 points, rip.
Keep mangle and rake up all times.
Now were talking, he'll be taking a LOT of damage... you have 2 options here, you'll need to decide which is best.
You can attempt to burst him down/bubble. Its a 3 minute timer, but its effective. Lay those shreds into him, when hes at 50% and casting a large heal, maim, you'll stun him, interrupt his heal, and even prevent him from bubbling for 3 seconds. With luck he'll die just there, if not, you have to wait for bubble to wear off, build some CP on his partner, roar, and return to bleeding up the paladin.
The very best holy paladins manage to stay alive, but run out of mana over the course of 2 minutes. The average pallys die before they bubble, or shortly there after.
If your going to fight a tree druid, i understand that they have the best healing in 2v2, but the thing with trees is that although their healing throughput is fantastic, it takes so much time to build up momentum.
I used to be able to destoy them very quickly if i caught them out of tree form with a pounce, but the new patch might of fixed that.
Eitherway, the best way to deal with them is good teamwork with your partner.
You'll need to keep roar up at all times, and learn to swap targets.
If you see lifebloomx3, regrowth, rejuive ticking away on your scraching post, your doing nothing but wasting time, swap to his partner, work on him, if he gets hotted up, switch back.
You'll need to work with your teamate carefully vs a tree. Purge his buffs, hammer stun at a good time, mana burn/dispell him, or even timing your cyclones to interupt his heals, let lifebloom fall off, and allow the cat to regenerate energy are all valid tactics.
And keep in mind, although he has innervate, so do you, give it to your partner if hes struggling with mana.
VS a priest.
This is a dangerious fight.
Priests will usally make a beeline to your healer and mana-burn. This can work to your advantage however.
Always focus on the priest, interupt any mana burns he attempts, and stay stuck on him like glue.
The priest will probably fear you away, use berserk, bleed him up, go nuts on his dps, but don't attempt a burst unless your sure it'll work.
The key will be to keep on him,and keep those bleeds rolling.
If the bleeds are rolling, he'll have no time to manaburn when he fears you away, if he even attempts to mana burn with those bleeds in progress, once you leap back and maim him, he'll be dead before maim wears off.
Key points, when he summons his mana regen shadow fiend, try to kite it. Its not immune to taunt, so if hes cast on your partner, throw it a taunt. If its on you, you can out-run it, or with a pally healer, get him to taunt it off you.
Divine hymn will regenerate a ton of the preists mana, maim it asap.
Don't let the priest drink, and you'll run him out of mana.
Just pray you don't encounter a disc/hunter combo... I'm still not sure how to best fight that combo.
Priests have a lot of mana regeneration abilties that can be countered, their mana burn is the most dangerious thing in the arena to a healer, stay stuck on the disc priest and you can prevent him from using it without getting himself killed. Your healer should also be doing his part to duck out of LoS when he sees it being cast/setup.
In summery i suppose its this. We don't need MS, certinally not the 50% damage reduction. Yes rogues and other classes have it, but they can be countered a lot more effectivly.
As a druid we can't be feared easily, we can't be rooted, snared, sheeped, we just stay stuck on our targets, and the small reprieves they can obtain only makes our return more damaging due to extra energy.
JUST DON'T BURST HEALERS DOWN. It won't happen vs an equally geared healer.
Also don't go nuts on resilliance. If your stacking as much resilliance as possible instead of agility, its no surprise you can't kill anything. As long as you aren't dieing you have enough resilliance, focus on getting more agility
Q F T
excellent post
Post by
HZAres
few personal tips for arena healers
pallies - force bubble then restealth (make sure to kick/stun all heals)
priest - burn unless its a heavy cc partner (rogues) then burn the dps, if all else fails force the ps then switch targets
druids - catch it out of tree form or else cc and switch to burn the partner
shamies - purge or outlast hero then burn
1v1 against a decent healer i did have to say keep them busy and wait for your cooldowns lol
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