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Help with talents... New to warrior class
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Post by
mauromzk
Hello there,
I need a suggestion where to spend my talent points in a warrior build that could DPS when soloing but also be able to tank a 5 men BC dungeon.
I came up with this build, and I need opinions what to change on it.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAMfzhbogczioZfbp0IM
Regards, Mauro
Post by
Kramp
Until 70 instances, you dont need more than 3 points in protection tree ( Tactical Mastery ) and spec whatever you like a classic Arms tree like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xbNioMhzbZVVzm0xRZc
After that, Improved Shield Block and Defiance become usefull. You can push to 21 points in prot and get Concussion Blow:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xbAbog0dbZVZfVzoIMz
I, personnaly, use this build on weekends. When I know I'll do instances:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xbAbog0dbZVVzZfVzoh
Post by
mauromzk
Thanks Kramp...
With your instance build, are you able to tank heroics as well?
Regards!
Post by
Arideni
Hello there,
I need a suggestion where to spend my talent points in a warrior build that could DPS when soloing but also be able to tank a 5 men BC dungeon.
There are some additional talent builds in this thread:
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=4327&p=41787
Note
: I did not click the above builds as I'm busy atm.
Basically, you can tank almost any
normal
5-man dungeon at level 70 without being Protection (at all). It just takes a lot more effort and requires a group who not only understands your limitations, but are willing to cooperate.
Some players like Imp. MS + Endless Rage, but I personally prefer to put my points elsewhere. A good idea would be to take Tactical Mastery 3/3 since they have expanded the functionality of this talent to include threat bonuses on Bloodthirst & Mortal Strike as of 2.3.
Post by
Arideni
Thanks Kramp...
With your instance build, are you able to tank heroics as well?
Regards!
You will have to be 4x Protection to successfully tank heroics. You'll also need a full-detail tanking suit.
Correct me if someone has proven this wrong since 2.1.
EDIT
: Kramp's 3rd talent spec is a good hybrid
Post by
Kramp
I tend to prefer a good old 8/5/48 for heroics. I am using my 35/11/15 to tank for dailies and for the fun of tanking.
I am mainly running heroics for badges since I got most of the stuff I wanted from heroics but maybe my hybrid could do it for easy heroics ( dont even bother try something like heroic SH, it's just suicide ). The changes to Tactical Mastery surely made me increase my threat but I think i'll lack a bit of survivability.
Post by
Arideni
EDIT
: Okay, apparently people really are tanking heroics (at least as Arms) without being full protection since the changes in 2.3...but the general consent is that you must meet several requirements:
coordinated group of players, "on tiptoes" for threat(?)
raid level tanking gear
full crowd control all the time(?)
There are disadvantages and the majority of these seem to be caused by the warrior...a) healer has a harder time (must be adjusted to instance & warrior), b) runs are generally slower due to downtime & low TPS ceiling (directly affecting the groups DPS).
So, at least according to European players, it's possible to tank some of the "easier" heroics as an Arms build, but generally it is not accepted at all.
Post by
shizreborn
I would hate to do heroics as non prot and I have just over 14k health unbuffed as a warrior. a fury/prot hybrid is much better than arms/prot because you get 3% bonus to hit which makes you hit more generating more rage. Also, on crits you will still get flurry giving you 25% more damage and bloodthirst still stacks with you AP as MS doesn't do much with a 1 hander.
If you wanna dps and tank do it that way, it is much more effective holding aggro since you can do more damage.
Post by
Clexcier
Use that
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xdNbqM0zZVmZfbp0IMz
Better than yours for soloing/tanking
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Post by
shizreborn
If you wish to be a TRUE tank go prot but as you desplay you dont appear to wish to go prot so hear are the changes i suggest if you wish to be able to tank + some nessary changes to arms part.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAMczAboxczwoZ0Ets
It should be obvious not to get imp MS
1 talent in imp MS=1% damage on only MS. 1 talent in blood frenzy = 2% on all damage. Cruelty is 1%crit meanin 1% to all damage.
Post by
shizreborn
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LVMcdAboghdbZVZcA0ohM
much better PVp/PvE tanking build. fury tank hybrid will still a lot better better because tanking uses a 1 hander where fury gives bonuses for that and arms gives no extra bonus damage for threat so the imp taunt is important.
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