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OscarDivine
What do you plan to use this spec for? Raid Healing? Single target healing? Healing heroics? And when you say "
improved renew
" do you mean "
empowered renew
"?
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OscarDivine
For a renew based spec, I would recommend picking up
Surge of Light
because your crits from Empowered Renew heals will give you free flash heals, which might fit in nicely with your instant-cast spec.
The spec is fine for 5 man heroics and for some raid healing as well, but I wouldn't go any higher up the raiding chain than Naxx 25 without
Test of Faith
, but I'm just a very strong supporter of this talent. I don't think any Holy Priest spec without it is half as good as it could be. Beyond Naxx, raid damage that occurs almost ALWAYS brings the targets below 50%, which basically means your raid heals are almost ALWAYS 12% stronger. It isn't something I would pass up.
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MegaVolt
There are some encounters where spamming Renews can be helpfull, specifically those will raid wide damage Auras or something similar (Hodir, ToC Twins, Yogg, etc), but thats mostly because you helping mitigate consistant incoming damage and only limited by the global cooldown. In almost any other encounter relying on Renews is wastefull for all the healers.
This is very, very wrong. Renew is incredibly mana effective so even with high overhealing it still does better then many direct healing spells.
Just look at Druids. They heal with their version of Renew all the time and they usually tend to top healing meters with it. Yes, Renew isn't quite as strong as Rejuvenation - but it is still a very viable raid heal that shouldn't be neglected.
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MegaVolt
Renew is incredibly mana effective so even with high overhealing it still does better then many direct healing spells.
high overhealing
Waste of a GCD. Use stopcasted Flash Heals, PoM, and CoH to avoid overhealing. On any sort of actual difficult content, wasted mana and GCDs will wipe your raid. HoT buffering should be done by your druid. Don't have a druid? Get one. Don't try to be one.
You don't get it. Simple example:
Spell heals 100 HPM and causes 50% overheal.
Spell heals 40 HPM and causes 0% overheal.
Which one is more efficient? Obviously the 100 HPM one, the 50% overheal don't matter.
And you complain about wasted GCDs and propose stopcasting in the very same sentence? Seriously?
Yes, Druids are better then Priests at HoT buffering. That doesn't mean Priests shouldn't do it. It just means that Priests should do other stuff, too (like keeping PoM up).
Spamming direct small heals is better done by a Shaman. Don't have a Shaman? Get one. Don't try to be one.
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While Renew may be efficient mana wise it, it does not generate health fast enough to be used on its own. Also as I mentioned other healers within the raid are going to snipe you because they will see a low health bar and no queued heals on the target. So now you have a case where you used mana and a GCD to heal a target, another healer then casts a direct heal which uses mana and a GCD. Your Renew is now wasted on overhealing, meaning you just wasted mana and time. But the real issue is that 2 healers competed on the same target. Thats the issue at hand. Its not the global cooldown itself. Its the fact that 2 end of being used where only one needed to be.
That all sounds nice and neat but Druids prove you wrong. If what you say was true then it would apply to Rejuvenation just as well. And we simply know for a fact that Druids get
awesome
HPS by spamming Rejuvenation as their main healing spell. Obviously the sniping is not nearly enough to offset the incredible efficiency that HoT spells offer. It's not only about HPM, they are awesome in HPS too. For only a 1.5s cast (one gcd, not even counting haste) you place a heal on the target that easily, even with crappy gear, heals a total of 10k. That's way better then any direct healing spell. So it just doesn't matter if it has 50% overhealing since the remaining 5k that actually land on the raid are more then enough to make it equal or superior to a direct healing spell.
By the way Regrowth isn't really that great. In terms of HPS it doesn't produce higher numbers then Rejuvenation (except when Bloodlust/Heroism is popped and Regrowth becomes a 1s cast while Rejuvenation doesn't get any benefit since Druids usually have it at 1s gcd already).
Lifebloom doesn't have an awesome mana return. The cost to cast it is very high (it was doubled to prevent Druids from rolling it on 5+ people) and the mana return only reduces the cost to the "normal" cost it had before the nerf after the bloom (since you get exactly the amount back that you didn't have to spend in the first place before the nerf). Lifebloom is a crappy raid healing spell that has situational uses at best (like time the bloom on several raid members in 10man Algolon to instantly counter an exploding star - in 25man rolling more Rejuvenations is more efficient). It's decent for tank healing but Druids shouldn't really do that ... The only time I use it on my Druid is when there is very low raid damage (so that I don't have to keep 15 people hotted up) to help out on the tanks.
Another thing: If you are worried that other healers are sniping your heals then there obviously is not enough raid damage going around. In such a situation it totally doesn't matter which heal you use. You could even sit back and simply watch since obviously the other healers are more then capable of handling the situation. But as soon as there actually is serious raid damage, as soon as there are several people in the raid that are always below full health, as soon as you as a raid healer are actually needed the HoTs spells become extremely powerful and should be used accordingly.
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karlusdavius
if you had looked over some of the spec's being posted around the forum, you would find that the cookie cutter's are already build for using renew. Learn a little more about the class first. You won't need renew in heroics at all if you play your cards right and know what your doing.
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OscarDivine
Holy priests remain poor single-target healers in 3.2.2.
I think "poor" is a bit strong a word to use. I really don't want to redirect this thread, but this statement just isn't true. We have
many talents
that are excellent
for healing
tanks
. As well as our 2pc T9 bonus (+20% to PoM healing). 17k Reactive healing crit? Yes, Thank You!
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