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Guild Troubles & Off spec - what would you do?
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Post by
Shamanic
If you were an officer in a guild, had a DPS that said they were going to dual spec healer, and did so. Then the guild carried this person through naxx 10 / naxx 25 gearing them up as much as possible in their dual spec so that they could fill a position when needed in future progression - and at this time, they took gear that other dual spec healers also could have used, on the premise that they had agreed to heal.
Then, once fully geared, this person declares that they are only willing to come on raids as pure DPS, not if they will be required to heal, even for one fight.
They are told that they would be given priority on DPS at all times, but like other dual specs, they may be required to switch around now and again to fill a healing spot, sometimes not even for an entire raid, but just for one or two fights as needed.
This person then refuses to raid at all, and says they will be pugging raids in future rather than raid with the guild.
It's a casual guild, with no mandatory minimum raiding times, but you have invested time and effort into this person who now wants to remain in the guild, but not raid at all with the guild.
Would you kick them? Or would you just use them as DPS (3.5k) and promise them they would never have to heal, despite having a full set of gear gained with the guild and the spec bought and talented ready.
Post by
anywherenotes
I think it depends on your situation. You shouldn't force the person to heal, just because you gave them some gear. If you gave them gear over main spec, that's your bad. However if they misled you to believe they would heal, you could kick them for that.
If you need someone that can both dps and heal, you may want to drop this person and get a different one. But 3.5k dps in a casual guild doesn't sound too shabby. so you may want to drop a pure dps (with lower dps) and get a dps/healer instead.
I think most people will say 'if my guild needed me to heal, I'd do it, but I'm a mage/lock/rogue/hunter so I can't'. That argument holds no water, the person can obviously level another toon and heal. So you basically got yourself a 3.5k dps who won't heal... it's not the the most terrible thing to have in a casual guild ... I'm assuming one of your top dpsers?
Post by
Shamanic
He's not one of our top dpsers really, he is not in our ulduar 10 team, but wants to be, and we would consider swapping him into ulduar 10 as a dual spec depending on who could come that week, but not as pure dps - as we are heavy on dps and very low on healers, we already have a 4.5k dps shadow priest dual speccing healer and if it came to it, we would take the priest as dps and the shaman as healer, as the shaman's dps is lower. It makes no sense in our progression to swap a 4.5k dpser for a 3.5k dpser if both can off spec raid heal to around the same numbers. But not everyone can make every single raid so if we can keep as much raid flexibility as possible it works out for everyone - well so far anyway. In naxx 25 we only use a 6th healer on very few bosses so like to have someone who can switch in and out.
I think it also says a little about his attitude and commitment to the guild if he is asking to be included in our ulduar 10 progression but refusing to be even a teeny weeny bit flexible for the good of the guild. Never kicked anyone over something like this before though.
We do have other DPS classes who could dual spec healer but we don't force them to. The reason it shocked us is he offered to dual spec healer, he chose to do it, asked for help gearing him up, and then suddenly not only says he doesn't want to heal - but absolutely refuses to raid at all (even small raids like OS10) unless he is 100% guaranteed that no one will ask him to heal. I know healing isn't always the most fun but for example, if we only need 5 healers for Naxx 25 and 6 healers on Patchwerk - he can dps for 14 bosses and has a 3 minute fight as a healer, but he's saying he refuses to come at all if that will be the case which has us feeling a bit annoyed that we spent the last 2 weeks gearing him up for a position he is unwilling to play, but volunteered for in the first place.
Post by
Porcell
Why is he dual-spec healing if he's not ever going to heal?
Just kick him and end the drama.
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Post by
anywherenotes
hmm, well if he's not your high dps, and he said he'll sometimes heal but now doesn't, than I wouldn't want him in my runs either.
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Post by
Lorkin
It's easy, he's lower dps than other your dps'ers. If he wants to come to Ulduar, then he'll have to heal. If he won't he simply can't come. You shouldn't force someone to play what they don't want to play. If he wants to contribute to the guild, then he's got to play his role. Tell him, sorry but your dps is lower so if you want to come then you have to heal. If he refuses, hopefully you can get another healer.
Yeah it doesn't make sense that he's dual spec'ed into healing, took all that healing gear, and now refuses to heal. It's not like you blind sided him into the healing position. He sounds like he just doesn't want to help out.
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Post by
rocketw
Kicklol.
But to be more serious, why would he even spec healing if he was never going to heal. I mean come on. But more than likely, it's that he blows at healing.
Post by
semperfi
I vote kick. He doesn't sound like nice guy cos he is taking advantage of you and the guild.
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Post by
blademeld
... and at this time, they took gear that other dual spec healers also could have used, on the premise that they had agreed to heal.
Then, once fully geared, this person declares that they are only willing to come on raids as pure DPS, not if they will be required to heal, even for one fight.
I would vote kick ASAP.
Do you really want these type of people in your guild? Sure, it is his toon and he can refuse to heal, his "choice". But you all worked to gear up his healing on the fact he said he WOULD heal when needed. He accepted gear for a role and them refuses to fill that role when needed, that is the same as NINJAing gear, imo. The act of rolling/accepting gear means he AGREED to file that role. Sounds like it is your "choice" to GKICK him.
Ask youself what would you do to a person who rolled on something they could not use, based on the fact "someday Blizzard might change the rules to let them use it"? Would you let your priests roll on plate armor, over Pallies, because "Blizzard might change the rules"?
Agreed, he took the gear on the premises that he would be healing, if other people who are willing to switch out to healing mode had to give up their gear, then this guy just scammed you.
/gkick plx
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Post by
LurkerPatrol
Kick him in his change purse.
And then kick him out of the guild :P
Seriously, there's no need to be jipped like that. If someone isn't down to earth or true to his word and then ends up whining and causing drama, there's no need to be caught up in the @#$% storm. It's not worth it to be honest. The raid will be more fun anyways with people who are good at what they do, are flexible to try something else based on the mob/boss/situation, and most importantly are fun.
Good luck :)
Post by
Celdhyrean
Gkick. Be precise in explaining the reason why though, else there'll be drama all around (there'll be anyway, but if you're clear it'll be easier for everyone).
You aren't kicking him for not wanting to heal on his dual-spec, which is indeed his right (as you aren't a hardcore guild with rules regarding dual spec), but for lying to you saying he was ready to heal, getting loot for his spec and then not doing it, ie for lying to the guild.
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