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Goblin and Worgens confirmed for "Cataclysm" huh?
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Apodictic
...MMO-Champion and WoW.com say this. They have yet to brought forth any evidence other than "Our sources"
I believe this portion has already been answered.
Hi, i'm gonna make up some crap and call it journalism. Please give me money.
Sure, now put your time and effort into it by finding a source, writing a few articles, then posting it on a reputable website or somewhere that people will give the least bit of a crap about it. Oh, and while we're at it, let's use your method and get our source fired/removed/unuseable.
For the record I don't doubt that Worgen and Goblins are the new races,
Listen to WoWRadio's discussion about it or read up on why it could be possible. While doing so, remember that Blizzard controls the lore of Warcraft, and can do anything that they please with it. This includes using ideas from members of the community.
I'm just saying that them "confirming" it without providing any REAL evidence besides "Seeding" and masks
And I quote: "Our sources." Unless you want them removed. I'm sure you would love to ruin years of work, right?
is like saying my toaster comes alive at night and tries to kill me.
Hey, mine too!
Yeah, I have no evidence to prove it but I can confirm by my sources that it happens.
That's a start. Now post it somewhere reputable with reasons behind it, and try to get people to care.
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dpoyesac
...MMO-Champion and WoW.com say this. They have yet to brought forth any evidence other than "Our sources"
Hi, i'm gonna make up some crap and call it journalism. Please give me money.
Video game journalism is probably the least-respectable form of journalism out there -- but it's still
journalism
. And journalists have rules about which sources they screw over by revealing that they've broken a NDA -- not because the journalist is altruistic or decent or nice, but for the very selfish reason that no one will ever talk to them, off-the-record, ever again.
From the Wow.com editor who wrote the piece that has everyone's knickers in a bunch, Adam Holisky's
personal website
:
Second, the sources are not just one person saying something. There’s a lot of stuff we’ve got with only one person saying it. We have no idea if it’s true. It could be false. But like a good journalist, when more than one person says the exact same thing, and are in a position where they’d know the facts at hand, it becomes valid enough to write about and bring to the public.
...
If I were to reveal the sources, I would likely be fired from my job at WoW.com. I would be untrustworthy and show a clear lack of decision making capability. I would be a person who cannot handle confidential information, and thus would be someone who could jeopardizes the welfare of the site on a daily basis.
...
I’m not going to reveal the sources under any circumstance. If I did, I would be ruining the lives of people who put their trust in me. That is something I will not, cannot do. It goes against every ethical fiber of my being.
Wow.com is no different than Gizmodo or Engadget or Nuclear Power Weekly. An industry always has a parasitic/vampiric/co-dependent relationship with its journalists: the news site need its leaks, the industry needs its buzz. If one side screws over the other they both suffer.
My personal conspiracy theory? The 'inside sources' are Blizzard PR guys leaking stuff to make sure everyone is hyped up and excited about watching the Blizzcon live feed -- instead of
posting about the instance servers
.
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Gnoktish
Another thing that kinda *!@#es me off too..
The speculations says Worgen = Alliance and Goblin = Horde.
Why is that? If anything it would be the other way around.
No, it shouldn't.
Goblins are tied to the horde. They run the Zeplins, they worked with them alot, they have a small town in the Barrens, there's a Goblin quest giver in Durotar even. For the purposes of making money they stayed Neutral. Also, Gnomes are a part of the Alliance, Goblins and Gnomes are engineering rivals. They hate each other. Why would they suddenly forget that and join with each other?
Worgen: They have no ties to the Horde. Sure, there are worgen in Silverpine. But they are Humans. Only worgen at night. The Scythe of Elune summoned them here, who had the Scythe? The Night Elves, who are a part of the alliance.
Grizzle Hills: All the native humans in that area are a part of the 'Wolf Cult.' They are worgen, but serving the scourge.
So tell me, why should the worgen be horde and the Goblins be alliance?
You do have a good point but looking at it from a pure aesthetics points.
Horde are where the weird misfits go. Trolls, Tauren, Orcs, Undead, Blood Elves.
Alliance are where the human resemblances go. Human, Gnome, Dwarf, Draeni, Night Elf
Though Draeni and Blood Elves should really be switched around (Lol alien goat people traveling through space) it seems to make more sense to me that the Worgen would go with the horde seeing as they would be monstrous in looks while the goblins, seem similar to alliance in aesthetics. Goblins could also gain a lot from working WITH the Gnomes instead of against them.
Of course that is unless Goblins and Worgens decide to go with a faction and not team up together. Maybe a third faction with other races, Padarean, Ogre, Naga (Though highly unlikely)
Anyway the point of the topic is. It gets on my nerves when normally reliable news sources spout bull^&*! without any evidence to back it up.
this is all true, the possible reason why Worgen will be with alliance because (This is a possible Chance) The people of Guilneas have transformed into Worgen but gained self control over they're body and mind but cannot transform back into humans and seek the Alliance's help to transform back into they're original forms. Goblins join the horde because the Steamwheedle Cartel have a huge part in Orgrimmar's Ecomany (And they soon will get a animation upgrade, they will have new formation in attack possition, standing, and chat animations no longer will act like a dwarf.
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The thing that bugs me the most is the idiots that still can't tell the difference between Worgen and Wolvar.
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xaratherus
Actually, Valandiv, I think what they're commenting on regarding sources is
this
.
In particular:
"WoW.com has learned through multiple sources close to the situation some details on the next expansion, to be called World of Warcraft: Cataclysm." - WoW.com
The goblin being with the horde makes sense but the worgen with the alliance doesn't because of the fact that alliance races are more calm peace loving races and the worgen doesn't belong with the alliance. Plus if anything Blizzard needs to finish Starcraft2 before starting on a new expansion.
Again, there are two speculated reasons as to why Worgen would be an Alliance race:
Worgen will come from Gilneas, a human kingdom on the eastern continent which aided the Alliance against the Horde but was never officially part of the Alliance. They shut themselves off from the world behind the Greymane Wall before the Scourge plague began to spread - but before they did so one of Arugal's Worgen had made its way into the kingdom, and thus they were infected with the Worgen curse. They have since learned to control the curse, and with the threat posed by the foes to be revealed in the expansion, have decided to reemerge to aid the Alliance once more
Worgen were originally summoned to Azeroth by a Night Elf using a mystical item called the Scythe of Elune. Velinde Starsong believes the scythe was granted to her by Elune, and she used it to summon Worgen to aid the Night Elves in the fight against the demons taking over Felwood. The relic allowed her to control them, but apparently after summoning the first Worgen into the world they could bring their own kind over at will, as their numbers continued to increase. She eventually lost the scythe, and her control over the Worgen - but it's possible that having been trapped here, they would return to serve alongside their original "masters".
Evidence. When I see it, I'll believe it but until then I'll still have my doubts no matter how many "sources" come out saying it.
As I stated in another thread: Journalists quote inside sources in instances where they cannot publish the source of their information because doing so would cause harm to the source - in this case, it would get the Blizzard employee in question fired and probably sued.
Look at this way: What does WoW.com get in return for quoting fictional sources and reporting false news? It would drive up their readership for a brief period - but
only
until circumstances forced them to reveal that they were lying and never had a source, at which point they would very likely lose readers and would no longer be considered a trusted news resource for the game.
They could be bluffing and playing an educated guess - but even then they didn't scoop anyone, because MMO Champion made the guess first after datamining the masks from the PTR files.
My money is on that they have at least two sources that they deem trustworthy, but who they obviously can't reveal because the information isn't supposed to be public until Blizzard's marketing department is ready for the announcement. From a business and journalistic standpoint, to have done otherwise reaps more pain than benefit.
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Did we miss the blog, or am I just hallucinating?...
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