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Glyph of LB vs Fireball
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Nilla
So I have been messing around with the firespec, doing my best to optimize DPS and I'm at a loss with the glyphs.
This is me
I have just recently switched glyph of LB out with Fireball and is seeing a massive DPS loss. Around 500 to 1k. Now I know that can't be right... At least it shoulden't, from all the mindnumbing theorycrafting I've been reading. (Not much for numbers, so it's been a long haul)
I am fully aware that the fire spec is based heavily on RNG. It sucks alot, not being able to stay at a steady DPS. But I just love it still. I'm afraid I might have done something terribly wrong at some point, but I really can't see where... I used to be in around 3.5-4k DPS on my good not-having-to-move-around-to-much-days, sometimes even breaking 5k. I switched the glyph yesterday, went happy to a herioc training dummy and did... 2.2k...
Should I blame the glyph? Is something else terribly wrong? Was RNG hating my bum yesterday?
Oh and I know I should switch Glyph of Improved Scorch out to see a DPS boost, however, the few mages we have in the guild is not always there for raids. It's not uncommon that I'm the only one there. Besides that, we are also low on locks, and none of the raiding ones we have (We actually only have 2 :( ) have specced into Improved Shadowbolt. So I'm stuck with that one untill my dear GM decides to get rid og all the DKs and Pallys and let me bring moar mages :D
I am classleader in my guild, and people expect me to be highest on DPS. Not all that fair but that however means I should have this problem fixed by tonight. So any fast reply will be very helpfull. Thanks in advance. :)
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Ethiery
I mean this with all due respect. But you're gear right now is a bit below even middle range. It's hightly likely you're being out dps based on gear alone.
What does irk me a bit however....
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Why is your off-spec 71 points in Arcane?
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Nilla
I mean this with all due respect. But you're gear right now is a bit below even middle range. It's hightly likely you're being out dps based on gear alone.
What does irk me a bit however....
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Why is your off-spec 71 points in Arcane?
I am aware that my gear is not the best. :) We are not a very hardcore guild, we don't read tactics (We think it's more fun to figure it out ourselves) and only have 4 bosses down in Ulduar. So I have no issue with my gear being "poor", since that's the state my guild is in. But we love it ^^
And the reason for my offspec being like that is because I got bored and made a full Arcane PvP spec. I suck at PvP at that spec is what I find fun ^^
Thanks for the advice, I'm switching it as we speak. I guess I got it wrong when I thought that the time it took you to get the 5x Scorch would cause a dps loss.
I do read the stickies btw. English isen't my first language, I might have missed a few things, combined with me being a total knob when it comes to numbers, I guess that's the problem. Please don't assume I haven't done any homework before asking, since I've seen what happens to people on these forums who just ask.
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Nilla
Righty, switched, installed Scorchio2 and was at a steady 4k dps all night in Ulduar. Thanks alot for the help guys.
The 4 bosses down are now 6 btw :p Not that any of you really care, I'm just proud ^^
Post by
Pens1566
Use Rawr to find out. LB is always glyphed, then 2 of FB/Molten Armor/Scorch. Yes Scorch is acceptable despite what some have posted in here. Usually, on an ulduar geared mage it will replace the FB glyph since you'll have loads of spirit which makes Molten Armor glyph #2. The reason scorch is valid is because of the loads of target switching you'll do on some bosses of ulduar. And its not all about
YOUR
dps ... scorch is a big increase in raid dps.
There is no absolute right answer, use Rawr.
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Pens1566
i'm sorry but with all due respect, this is wrong. You never want to lose FB glyph. Molten armor is prolly #2 and if u really are bad at scorching u can replace the LB glyph but never ever replace your FB glyph.
Sometimes there is no absolute right answer, but sometimes there is.
This is one of those times.
In 3.1 the theorycrafters disagreed with you. I don't recall any revelations in 3.2 that would change that original theory.
EJ rates LB Glyph the best with potentially FB and Molten Armor trading off for last.
hmm i didn't know that and they are probably right since they do a %^&* ton of math. point is, glyph of scorch ain't worth it.
Scorch is absolutely worth it with all the multiple targets and the
RAID
dps increase it provides. The dps loss a mage will incur switching out either FFB/FB glyph for the scorch is less than the loss from having a lock go Imp. Shadow Bolt. Personal dps is an epeen thing that is meaningless when it comes to overall benefit of the raid.
This is all moot however if you have a lock willing to spec ISB.
Point is, scorch glyph can be worth it.
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i'm sorry but with all due respect, this is wrong. You never want to lose FB glyph. Molten armor is prolly #2 and if u really are bad at scorching u can replace the LB glyph but never ever replace your FB glyph.
Sometimes there is no absolute right answer, but sometimes there is.
This is one of those times.
In 3.1 the theorycrafters disagreed with you. I don't recall any revelations in 3.2 that would change that original theory.
EJ rates LB Glyph the best with potentially FB and Molten Armor trading off for last.
hmm i didn't know that and they are probably right since they do a %^&* ton of math. point is, glyph of scorch ain't worth it.
Scorch is absolutely worth it with all the multiple targets and the
RAID
dps increase it provides. The dps loss a mage will incur switching out either FFB/FB glyph for the scorch is less than the loss from having a lock go Imp. Shadow Bolt. Personal dps is an epeen thing that is meaningless when it comes to overall benefit of the raid.
This is all moot however if you have a lock willing to spec ISB.
Point is, scorch glyph can be worth it.
I hope ur not talking about trash.
as for adds on a boss, only a few bosses have adds that will actually live long enough for the scortch glyph to be worth it. Right now i can only think of Freya and Yog. and for freya only the tree. I've run with plenty of other fire mages, and non of them put scorch up on these adds. there may be 1 fight in say 6 or 7 that the scorch glyph is better than one of the others and still not by much
Not talking about trash. What does how long an add lives have to do with Scorch? LB maybe, but not scorch when its GLYPHED. Thorim tunnel/arena, Auriaya whole fight, Kologarn for all 3 targets, air phases in Razorscale, ice blocks in Hodir, Mimiron phase 3/4. All of those benefit from a 1 shot scorch cast instead of sitting there for 5 casts ... that raises raid dps.
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Pens1566
Yet another thing to consider is the unavoidable place in ULD/ToC where casting downtime occurs.
Scorch slave is thrown into pot during Ignis and can't refresh in time so stack falls off, ramp up at beginning of Razorscale ground phase, ramp up for heart phase of XT, stack fall off during air phase of Stormcaller, scorch slave gets hit with eyebeams on Kologarn and stack falls off while he's avoiding it, ramp up on adds in emalon, kobolds on Northrend Beasts, underground changes on Acidmaw/Dreadscale, silence after Icehowl does his thing before charge .... the list really goes on and on. Thats a lot of time where you (and the rest of the casters in raid) could be throwing nukes with a full 5% crit buff instead of wasting time while someone stacks again and again.
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