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Post by
SirPunky
How much haste do I need to lower GCD to 1 second?
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Post by
pezz
Ignore this man. Svirve did a thread about all of the various stat caps, it's stickied right at the top of this forum. I'd link it but I'm sure you wouldn't bother to read it, since we wouldn't have this thread if you had read it, so I'll just give you the one stat:
Haste(GCD): 50% or 1640 haste rating
32.79 haste rating per 1%
There is no roof on the amount of haste one is able to stack. But after 50% (GCD being capped at 1.0 seconds) its use diminishes to an extent
Post by
SirPunky
I'd link it but I'm sure you wouldn't bother to read it, since we wouldn't have this thread if you had read it, so I'll just give you the one stat:
Haste(GCD): 50% or 1640 haste rating
32.79 haste rating per 1%
Why do you assume that I don't read it?
I saw that but don't answer my question.
How much haste do I need to lower GCD to 1 second?
And I ask that from a protection paladin point of view.
@Jayxx GCD=1.5 seconds you can lower that to 1 second with haste. No more, no less
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Post by
SirPunky
two points:
1) It does answer your questionHaste(GCD): 50% or 1640 haste rating50% (GCD being capped at 1.0 seconds)
so you need 1640 haste to reduce it to 1sec
Basic math 1.5 * 50% = 0.75 not 1 second.
As for point 2 - please keep your advice for yourself. Don't assume that asking for haste as a prot = I don't know to play my class. Maybe I want to turn my character in a leprechaun :)
Post by
pezz
A) Leprechaun? I don't understand the point you're trying to make, if indeed you have one. But if you want to be a leprechan, you picked the wrong class since gnomes can't be paladins.
B) You wouldn't read it because you didn't bother reading the stickies before you posted a new thread, even though one had 'read before posting' in the title, so why would you bother after someone answers your question?
C) Prot paladins have a tight rotation of spells that come off of cooldown at exactly the right time. Lowering your GCD to one second just means you burn through them faster and end up standing around for a few seconds at the end of your rotation. Which doesn't mean haste is a negative, just that it offers absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Not to mention the fact that if you try to get 1640 haste, or whatever the number is, your gear will be absolutely terrible because
no tank gear has any haste on it at all
(this is a clue). I'm willing to bet you couldn't possibly be haste soft capped and be at 540 defense with any level and combination of gear at all, let alone heroic/entry level raid gear.
Post by
SirPunky
A) Leprechaun? I don't understand the point you're trying to make, if indeed you have one. But if you want to be a leprechan, you picked the wrong class since gnomes can't be paladins.
B) You wouldn't read it because you didn't bother reading the stickies before you posted a new thread, even though one had 'read before posting' in the title, so why would you bother after someone answers your question?
C) Prot paladins have a tight rotation of spells that come off of cooldown at exactly the right time. Lowering your GCD to one second just means you burn through them faster and end up standing around for a few seconds at the end of your rotation. Which doesn't mean haste is a negative, just that it offers absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Not to mention the fact that if you try to get 1640 haste, or whatever the number is, your gear will be absolutely terrible because
no tank gear has any haste on it at all
(this is a clue). I'm willing to bet you couldn't possibly be haste soft capped and be at 540 defense with any level and combination of gear at all, let alone heroic/entry level raid gear.
Can you answer the question or not?
Jesus men, can you at least answer a question without saying L2play.
It's so hard to answer a damn question?
Please mods, delete this thread.
Nobody is willing to answer.
Bleah.
Post by
MischievousLoki
pezz is 100% correct.
The amount of haste you need to have a 1 second GCD is indeed 50%.
Your problem is that you do not understand how haste works.
Haste doesn't reduce cast times or cooldowns, but instead increases the number of casts you can do. This is where you're confused.
If you can go through 40 GCDs in a minute, 50% haste means you can go through 60 GCDs in a minute. 50% more casts per minute. Get it now?
@Jayxx GCD=1.5 seconds you can lower that to 1 second with haste.
No more, no less
This also sounds confusing. You make it sound like haste has no effect on your global cooldown until you have enough to lower it to 1 second, that's simply false. Whatever amount of haste you have, it will impact your GCD up until the cap of 50%.
Post by
GenXCub
I thought lowering the GCD via haste was for spells only?
Also the way you calculate speed after haste is Normal Speed / (1 + 100/haste)
In other words, turn haste into a decimal plus 1. so if you got up to 50% haste, you'd put 1.5 there, and a 1.5 / 1.5 gives you 1.0. a 2 second spell would become 2.0/1.5 or 1.33
Post by
pezz
The haste softcap is 1640, but do not stack haste for prot at all.
If you're just going to keep saying no one has told you the answer because you don't like it then I'm done posting in this thread.
Post by
SirPunky
pezz is 100% correct.
The amount of haste you need to have a 1 second GCD is indeed 50%.
This is more confusing.
Doing math 50% means 0.75 and I know that GCD lower than 1 seconds it is not possible.
I know that more haste = faster casting but I'm not after that.
I just need that my abilities should be ready after 1 sec not 1.5.
If I need all that haste for that (1640 haste rating) then I quit my testing.
Sorry for all that rant.
Post by
MischievousLoki
pezz is 100% correct.
The amount of haste you need to have a 1 second GCD is indeed 50%.
This is more confusing.
Doing math 50% means 0.75 and I know that GCD lower than 1 seconds it is not possible.
It would help if you read my whole post instead of just the first two lines.
Post by
MischievousLoki
I thought lowering the GCD via haste was for spells only?
I'm not sure, actually. Especially considering sometimes the game is hazy as to what abilities it considers to be spells.
Also the way you calculate speed after haste is Normal Speed / (1 + 100/haste)
In other words, turn haste into a decimal plus 1. so if you got up to 50% haste, you'd put 1.5 there, and a 1.5 / 1.5 gives you 1.0. a 2 second spell would become 2.0/1.5 or 1.33
That is exactly correct.
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Post by
MischievousLoki
Hold on, this is Paladin forum right? Did paladin ever had reduced-GCD via haste? I have 20% haste from gear, +15% from judgement, but I didn't experiecne reduction in GCD. Or am I just that dull not to notice :(
Either way, holy paladins are the most GCD dependent healer in the game.
(and yeah, reduction in GCD is for spells only for other class)
Sacred Shield or Beacon of Light at the wrong time will result in dead tank.
You sure about this? Because I don't hit the GCD when spamming Flash of Light, even when I was at about 40-50% haste from various procs/buffs.
Actually, yeah, either what you're saying is confusing me or it's incorrect. Otherwise haste would be absolutely pointless for us when we weren't spamming holy light, and it's not.
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Post by
TheJohan
Learn to math. Learn to read. Don't ask questions then argue when everyone tells you you're wrong. Please.
this^^
Post by
Jediah
According to WoWwiki's Patch 2.4.0 listing:
Spell Haste: Spell haste now reduces the global cooldown on spells, down to a minimum of 1 second. This change does not apply to melee and ranged abilities.
Therefore, haste does not effect the majority of prot's (or ret's) skills (although I wouldn't be surprised if it affected a few).
And I double checked: this has not changed since that patch.
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