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Garrosh as warchief, could this be a test?
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Thinking outside the lore a moment, it made me think with the recent changes to not just the world of azeroth, but with the horde too, just what its all about.
Lets face the facts here, regardless of you want to admit it or not, the horde as it stands today has never been as strong as it is now. The first orcish horde were the invaders and were lead by demonic manipulation and later shadowy manipulation from the shadow council.
As doomhammer lead them they gained some some dignity back, but only enough to just keep going on the path they made, and ultimately there defeat.
Now, the horde as it is today is something else. It has regained its dignity and honor, it has made powerful allies, it has regained its spirituality and is no longer lead by a blood craze that controlled them before. The horde today has built cities, towns, foundations that it could never have done before, and even the meak or frail amoung the horde have found a place where they can find some form of peace, even the peon of the orcs have been given a chance..
And all this is under Thrall rule. As much as people want to flame him for his apporach for peace, he has only ever done this for the sake of his people, knowing constant war will lead to more ruin and death. All this has come under Thrall leadership, and he has achieved something even Doomhammer couldn't.
Now we go the cataclysm, with the notion of Thrall having to give (or what other reason he gets the title) warchief to Garrosh, perhaps so Thrall can focus on fighting the elemental lords well someone leads his people, or maybe his mantle was stolen by Garrosh in some manner, but regardless, Garrosh becomes warchief.
So it makes you, thinking outside the box, wonder if this is all a test put forward by blizzard to make those who doubted Thralls leadership see just how important he really is, his ideals and what he did for his own. Is this all a thing to make us realise, that under a leader like Garrosh, who appears to follow the old ways of the horde, bordering on 'dark horde', that without such a unique leader as Thrall, the horde would revert back to what it once was?
Put it this way, if Anduin Wrynn can regard Thrall as being extraordinary, then you know theres something more to him then just being an orcish leader.
Post by
Morec0
An interesting thought. It may be, but I'm not sure if Blizzard would do this
just
to test the players.
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Post by
HiVolt
a chance to live upto his Father's name and glory?
Do you mean the drinking of the demon blood and forever damning his people to bloodlust? Or the second time he did it, and ended up killing an aspect of Nature?
Post by
Morec0
a chance to live upto his Father's name and glory?
Do you mean the drinking of the demon blood and forever damning his people to bloodlust? Or the second time he did it, and ended up killing an aspect of Nature?
He also freed the Horde.
Perhaps Thrall also thinks that Garrosh being in a position of power will teach him responsibility and restraint?
Post by
HiVolt
He also freed the Horde.
Perhaps Thrall also thinks that Garrosh being in a position of power will teach him responsibility and restraint?
He may have freed the Horde, but I honestly don't think that makes up for damning them in the first place.
And power corrupts. Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
Unless we see a massive change in Garrosh before he gets the title, we'll see very bad things when he actually gets it.
Post by
Morec0
A new thought:
What if, instead of a Horde person dying to save an Alliance: thereby showing Varain the goodness of the Horde. An Alliance dies to save a Horde, thereby showing them the bravery of the Alliance.
Perhapes that would change Garrosh's outlook. Remember his quote: "A true warchief would never side with
cowards
."
Post by
taurenmoo812
Either that or Thrall just wants Garrosh to do something stupid before
him and
Saurfang wtfpwnz the crap out of him.
/sarcasm off
IMO, you make quite a good point. But it also might be because Thrall wants to give eeeeverybody's fav Mag'har a chance to live upto his Father's name and glory?
The thing with that, despite being a chieften, Grom was never warchief, and even proclaimed wanting that mantle. So in effect Garrosh is trying to go beyond his own fathers mantle.
A new thought:
What if, instead of a Horde person dying to save an Alliance: thereby showing Varain the goodness of the Horde. An Alliance dies to save a Horde, thereby showing them the bravery of the Alliance.
Perhapes that would change Garrosh's outlook. Remember his quote: "A true warchief would never side with cowards."
Problem is, the horde is the kind that fights to prove, in the orcs case, that its not the same demon lead army from the dark horde. For that reason they are always regarded as the underdogs compared to the shining white alliance, and you always hear about how its the horde proving itself to factions like the kirin tor, the sha'tar, the red flight and so on.. the alliance has never had an underdog feel to prove itself to.
It is an intresting point though, that an honorable human dies in icecrown and proves to Garrosh that not all humans are the 'pigs' he makes them out to be.
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Post by
chase123
Give the Varian threads a rest already.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Give the Garrosh threads a rest already.
Oh I see. So where as you keep throwing one Varian thread or post after another, and the driving point of everything in Adams thread on Varian is based on your overzealous admiration of him, I then can't make a thread on an opposing character in lore, even in a thread about the changing faces of the horde, where Garrosh is one element in that?
Post by
Rankkor
Give the Garrosh threads a rest already.
say something constructive, or nothing at all.
I doubt blizz is making garrosh warchief as some sort of test, as kirasani said several things.
A: that the garrosh we know today is not the same garrosh that will lead us in cataclysm (I got my doubts about that, and don't fully believe that statement, but then again, I don't know the whole story, while Kirasani being a member of blizzard staff does know the story, so if he/she says so, then he/she has his/her reasons)
B: the horde, and its core values (Strenght, Honor, Redemption, Freedom) will not change, and will not revert back to the old ways (Again I got my doubts about this, as the few leadership of garrosh I've seen such as the broken front is nothing more than a despicable dishonorable dark horde to wich I don't wanna be assosiated with, but again, if kirasani said that the horde won't change, or be broken back to it's old ways, then it wont, why? because we don't know jack about the whole story, and he/she does)
C: the reason garrosh was promoted to warchief was aparently because they wanted thrall more personal with the players, on that light it's unlikely that he will ONLY show up in a single raid, more likely we can expect thrall to become a major quest-giver, maybe even for both horde and alliance, and to perhaps even come with us on several quests togheter.
D: this cataclysm is the reason for the changes, and there is the posibility that after this expantion, thrall will return to ogrimar, and lead his people.
once more, I have my doubts and concerns about this, I highly doubt garrosh worthyness of the title of warchief, this to me is as preposterus as putting a son of blackmoore as a new replacement for leadership of stormwind (at the varian extreminsts, this is a fake example, is not gonna happen, I'm putting it here to draw a comparison, nothign more)
but if kirasani said "trust us" then I will trust them, for now........... there is no point in getting all worried about stuff that won't happen in a very very VERY long time.
after cataclysm, and after we've seen the horde under garrosh's leadership, then I'll draw my conclutions and see if I remain or not in this game, oen thing is clear, I don't like the alliance to make it my new faction, and if I don't like garrosh's horde I aint staying there either, wich means if garrosh fails to meet my expectatives I'll just quit the game.
after all, a wise monk once said "in order to be happy, and I mean TRULY happy, you must be able to let go of everything, and absolutely everything"
Post by
HiVolt
You know, I just had a thought... I haven't read anything that says Garrosh will be the "Warchief". I know, we've all read he will be the leader of the Horde. But I haven't read anything that states he will be granted the title of "Warchief". Maybe he won't be "Warchief" but something like the Lothar/Turalyon of the Second War's Alliance. Perhaps a Grand Warlord, or High Overlord of Orgrimmar, or something of the like.
I know that's just my optimism shining through, but if he really is going to be "Warchief" why haven't we seen that title being applied to him?
If I've missed some blue post or other text that says otherwise, please enlighten me and ignore this post.
Post by
taurenmoo812
You know, I just had a thought... I haven't read anything that says Garrosh will be the "Warchief". I know, we've all read he will be the leader of the Horde. But I haven't read anything that states he will be granted the title of "Warchief". Maybe he won't be "Warchief" but something like the Lothar/Turalyon of the Second War's Alliance. Perhaps a Grand Warlord, or High Overlord of Orgrimmar, or something of the like.
I know that's just my optimism shining through, but if he really is going to be "Warchief" why haven't we seen that title being applied to him?
If I've missed some blue post or other text that says otherwise, please enlighten me and ignore this post.
I'd liked to hope your right about that. But certain things given away give me frownlines, mentions of Garrosh closing of the centre of orgirmmar to all but orcs and maybe tauren, and constructing orgirmmar to look more like something like Hellfire citadel, thats another thing that makes me think, theres a lot more here then blizzard hasn't mentioned, for obvious reasons.
I would though, as you say, like to hope that Garrosh does not become Warchief.. I've just got this picture in my mind of Garrosh being sat there in Grommash hold (if its survives) in Thralls seat...
Post by
HiVolt
I would though, as you say, like to hope that
Thrall
Garrosh does not become Warchief..
Fix'd. Don't worry, I know what you meant.
Post by
Rankkor
You know, I just had a thought... I haven't read anything that says Garrosh will be the "Warchief". I know, we've all read he will be the leader of the Horde. But I haven't read anything that states he will be granted the title of "Warchief". Maybe he won't be "Warchief" but something like the Lothar/Turalyon of the Second War's Alliance. Perhaps a Grand Warlord, or High Overlord of Orgrimmar, or something of the like.
I know that's just my optimism shining through, but if he really is going to be "Warchief" why haven't we seen that title being applied to him?
If I've missed some blue post or other text that says otherwise, please enlighten me and ignore this post.
well it has been done in the past, during varian's absence bolvar was the regent lord of stormwind, so maybe to apease their horde players blizz will restrain from giving the mantle of warchief to garrosh and simply name him High Warlord, or something similar, at least that would be a reasurance that his position is temporal at best and that our beloved thrall will resume leadership at some point in the future.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I would though, as you say, like to hope that
Thrall
Garrosh does not become Warchief..
Fix'd. Don't worry, I know what you meant.
Bugger, I'll change that
Post by
taurenmoo812
well it has been done in the past, during varian's absence bolvar was the regent lord of stormwind, so maybe to apease their horde players blizz will restrain from giving the mantle of warchief to garrosh and simply name him High Warlord, or something similar, at least that would be a reasurance that his position is temporal at best and that our beloved thrall will resume leadership at some point in the future.
Thats an intresting point you raise. Well Varian was captured Bolvar lead the armys of stormwind, although Anduin was counted as the 'king', Bolvar was the racial leader. And thinking of that, Bolvar was a far calmer person in terms of leadership unlike Varian. But unlike Varian, Bolvar wasn't a king.
On a flipside, Thrall is the calmer leader and more reserved, well Garrosh is the rage head who wants to fight all the time. Thrall is the leader of the orcs and Garrosh a high commander.
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