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Post by
Xepp
Hey all!
I need some advice. I have been leveling a warlock for mostly pvp but now at 78 I hit a wall :) In bgs melee usually eat me alive if they are two or more. Yeah sure I can stun them but they are on me in seconds again. So I was thinking.. I got a 80 mage that I just dinged 80 back in january and then putted on the shelf. Frost mage got alot of survivability vs all classes and especially vs melee with all the slows. Anyway, so I was start thinking to try some frost pvp (beacuse I loved arcane for pve back pre 3.1 =)). So my questions are:
1. How do frost mages do in pvp now days?
2. 95% of mages in top arena are frost, is it because of the survivabiluty and control of fights?
3. Any real counter class?
4. From videos I have seen frost doesn't do any nice dmg, highest crit I saw was a 7k. Can frost do nice dmg or is it mostly controlling the fights and slowly nuke the enemy down with lots of 3k frostbolts?
5. One problem I have been facing before is there are many abilitys, are there any guide to a good keybinding-setup or ui setup that suits frost mages good?
6. Final question: Is frost the "best/easiest" specc for pvping mages?
Glad for any answer I get. Have a nice day!
Post by
StrangerWifCandy
1. How do frost mages do in pvp now days?
2. 95% of mages in top arena are frost, is it because of the survivabiluty and control of fights?
3. Any real counter class?
4. From videos I have seen frost doesn't do any nice dmg, highest crit I saw was a 7k. Can frost do nice dmg or is it mostly controlling the fights and slowly nuke the enemy down with lots of 3k frostbolts?
5. One problem I have been facing before is there are many abilitys, are there any guide to a good keybinding-setup or ui setup that suits frost mages good?
6. Final question: Is frost the "best/easiest" specc for pvping mages?
They do fine.
Yes.
Hunters and Enhancement Shaman come very close.
Aren't those 7k frostbolts followed by a 4k ice lance? 11k damage in one global isn't weak in my book, that's half the HP pool of most players even.
Errr, no, there's no guide to setting up keybindings, or ui. Those types of things can only really by decided by the player himself, to fit his personal needs.
Best? Maybe. Easiest? Rofl, no.
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Post by
Xepp
Aren't those 7k frostbolts followed by a 4k ice lance? 11k damage in one global isn't weak in my book, that's half the HP pool of most players even.
Best? Maybe. Easiest? Rofl, no.
1. Well.. I guess your right. Thats alot.. how common is 7k frostbolts then? Is it all about doing the shattercombo?
2. What is it that makes it so hard then? Is it that you need to set up your burst or many spells to handle at the same time?
Sheika, your answear where very nice also!
I think I start pvping on my mage now :D
How important are haste? Any number to aim for?
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Post by
Xepp
7ks frostbolt are not very usual, due the damage reductions with resilence. You can do it in World PvP or BG, but don't expect to see that in arenas.
Our main nuke is shatter combo, and now with
Deep Freeze
is even stronger. Just be careful that the oponent doens't use trinket here
Other important damage is done with
Fingers Of Frost
(spamming ice lance, even though you do less damage, at least you can move while spamming it).
Ah so FL triggers FoF? Really good to know!
Tnx for all help! :D
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Xepp
No, no, what I meant is that you can use the charges of FoF to spam IL, so you can move while doing dps. FoF only procs with spells with chill effect and ice armor.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood, it's my fault :P
What spells are that? Frostbolt/frost nova only?
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Post by
StrangerWifCandy
I agree shaman can be hard to kill, this is a trick I use.
Learn how to ice lance when a shaman use grounding totem.
If they have a water shield up, steal it! you will gain back the mana you used to steal it. '
Use Improved counterspell at lightning bolt, its also a nature damage which will trigger his healing spells to go counterspelled.
If the shaman purge your spells then drain his mana with respelling the spells he purge. That way he use to much mana he could have used on heals.
Shaman doesn't have Evocation.
Bull *!@# this works. Wow, I killed his grounding totem, he just purged off my Ice Barrier and he's royally raping me with his snare immunity+wolves.
Ice Block lasts 10 seconds, Wolves last 45. I can't see any possible way for an enhancement shaman with a brain to lose to a mage.
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Post by
StrangerWifCandy
Wolves can easily be controled with nova?
Move is also a good idea? Who in hell stands
close to a pack of wolves? If the possibillty to
freeze the wolves is not an option you blew away
CD's all to soon. Cold snap etc you can have the
wolves freezed 4 times under 45 seconds.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58875
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51524
Ice lance on the player while the grounding totem is up
trigger the totem. Then which you have 15 seconds
to do what ever harmful spell you want on the shaman.
Now under these 15 seconds you can start off a any kind of spell you want.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=57994
Ice barrier is a plus for a mage.
Enchantment shaman does damage from melee....?
Frozen players can't run off.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58875
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51524
A good mage with brain DOESN'T stand close to a melee.
If the player isn't a hunter which makes far more damage on range.
Place you mage right as a frost mage and you have
both shaman and wolves freezed..
Practice!
All classes no matter rating, does misstakes with
how they position their char.
I heard so much bull!@#$ from people saying, you can't kill him because he has that kind of things to put on me.
Warlocks have Infernal, which beats the hell of a pack of wolves.I get the suspicion that you're either:
A trash mage at 1200 rating.
A trash mage that's never been level 80.
Post by
Castorax
I love doing pvp on my frost mage and I do quite well considering I don't have lots of pvp gear. I don't have a problem with most classes including hunters but can anyone give me a pointer or two for killing Gnome DK's, cos they always seem to kick my... well you get the idea.
Post by
Achloryn
I love doing pvp on my frost mage and I do quite well considering I don't have lots of pvp gear. I don't have a problem with most classes including hunters but can anyone give me a pointer or two for killing Gnome DK's, cos they always seem to kick my... well you get the idea.
a gnome dk is no different than any other dk.. just kite them kite them kite them.. don't blink until AFTER they use their death grip.. if they have a perma-ghoul pet, CC it or drop it
fast
. if they hit you with CoI, then trinket out of it. the worst thing you can do against a DK is trinket/blink too early.
Post by
Castorax
Thx for that, wise words mate. It's the fact that Gnomes have the racial ability to not stay frozen for more than a second that catches me out. I've been popping Frost Nova and Cold Snap too quickly leaving me nearly powerless to get out of range before being silenced. I've just topped 250 Stonekeeper shards so I might trade them for:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44097
which should help.
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Post by
StrangerWifCandy
Isn't this in the Mage forum? I'd much rather see some constructive strats to fighting Shaman than just linking spells and leaving us with nothing. I'll add a question tho: What about blinking away from the Enhance Shaman when Spirit Wolves come out, then Frost Nova, CoC and AoE their ~12k HP down in a couple GC's? Think that would work?
All that aside tho, you've gotten some great responses Xepp. I've got nothing to add to them.
I'd suggest something but I've never beaten a shaman that knows what he's doing.
The way game mechanics are right now, killing the wolves in any respectable timely manner are impossible, all summoned pets have passive 90% reduction to AoE damage.
Also, you'll have to deal with
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58877
It's such an uphill battle it's @#$%ing depressing. Even fighting feral druids and hunters is easier than dealing with enh shaman.
Post by
Achloryn
Thx for that, wise words mate. It's the fact that Gnomes have the racial ability to not stay frozen for more than a second that catches me out. I've been popping Frost Nova and Cold Snap too quickly leaving me nearly powerless to get out of range before being silenced. I've just topped 250 Stonekeeper shards so I might trade them for:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44097
which should help.
that's a levelling piece.. what level is your mage? for some reason i assumed it was level 80.
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