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FFB/focus magic... wtf aggro?
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Post by
OscarDivine
Dual spec exploit, have a second spec with FM and cast it then respec to FFB.
This has been fixed recently.
I figured it must be some sort of exploit because every spec I come up with looks like a Fireball/TTW build. haha!
I may still yet experiment using these talents and see what works best. FFB/FM/TTW build... doesn't have the crit bonus of
Ice Shards
, but it still looks like it might be fun.
Mathron, Achloryn, I'm assuming you both were using the exploit then? If not, please link ur builds...
I keep coming up with
this
or
something like it
.
Post by
Arcolite
Recent In Game Fixes - 04/21
Focus Magic and Hunger for Blood should no longer last through a talent switch.
It was fun while it lasted. I guess that least FFB back in third when it comes to pure DPS. However I still feel for learning the encounters, FFB is more forgiving due to the Mana Reqs.
Source
Post by
Achloryn
Mathron, Achloryn, I'm assuming you both were using the exploit then? If not, please link ur builds...
I keep coming up with
this
or
something like it
.
yes, i was taking advantage of the dual spec exploit.. -mumbles to myself-
It was fun while it lasted. I guess that least FFB back in third when it comes to pure DPS. However I still feel for learning the encounters, FFB is more forgiving due to the Mana Reqs.
True, FFB is much easier to manage mana-wise than arcane.. but it has a much lower threat reduction built in than arcane does.
Arcane
has 40%,
Frost
fire
has 20%, and
Fire/TTW
has only 10% threat reduction talented in. (And 10% of frostfire's threat reduction ONLY works on FFB. Not scorch, LB or Pyroblast.)
I feel that mana management is easier than threat management. I'd rather nuke the hell out of a boss and not pull aggro then have to worry about gimmick aggro drops on every fight.
Of course, it's all personal preference. some may be the other way around.
Post by
220531
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Post by
OscarDivine
Mathron, Achloryn, I'm assuming you both were using the exploit then? If not, please link ur builds...
I keep coming up with
this
or
something like it
.
yes, i was taking advantage of the dual spec exploit.. -mumbles to myself-
aw nerts
Post by
Arcolite
True, FFB is much easier to manage mana-wise than arcane.. but it has a much lower threat reduction built in than arcane does.
Arcane
has 40%,
Frost
fire
has 20%, and
Fire/TTW
has only 10% threat reduction talented in. (And 10% of frostfire's threat reduction ONLY works on FFB. Not scorch, LB or Pyroblast.)
I feel that mana management is easier than threat management. I'd rather nuke the hell out of a boss and not pull aggro then have to worry about gimmick aggro drops on every fight.
Of course, it's all personal preference. some may be the other way around.
True, I prefer nuking without threat issues. Invisibilty is great but as with Evocation there are some boss fights where it can't be used to it's fullest (Saph Frost Aura).
The spreadsheets are also misleading to some extent.
Tell me how many fights you'll just stand there and spam nuke the same target for 6 minutes without moving, without any changes in the "boss/'dagron'" (intentional typo <3 strongbad).
...
200 dps at the very top end isn't something to freak out about. Missing maybe 2 pieces of gear can break the set and change your spec priorities.
Unfortunately, the only real "no no" by comparison is speccing frost.
Arcane, Fireball, and Frostfire bolt each might be best on a particular fight, but it's actually to the point where the difference hasn't been enough to make me feel gimp playing any of them.
Frost...yeah, another story. 1500 dps IS something to complain about :(
You do have a point there. It's often easy to get blinded by the graphs showing FFB low on the charts but the actual difference in DPS between the specs isn't actually that high.
Frost is in a sorry state PvE wise :(
While I love Fire, I do miss the Molten Core days when Frost was decent for Raiding.
I'm shockingly bad at PvP these days but to a certain extent I also feel that against come classes Frost has even lost some of it's spark in PvP (World and BG - Arenas are another story).
It's very hard to get a Shatter Combo on a Ret Paladin or Feral Druid.
However, that's OT and as I said, I'm BAD at PvP so it's mostly likely lack of skills.
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220531
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Post by
Achloryn
True, I prefer nuking without threat issues. Invisibilty is great but as with Evocation there are some boss fights where it can't be used to it's fullest (Saph Frost Aura).
that's true, but that is easily manageable with a well time Icy Veins... just nip the last second or two of your IV for an evocation, and you'll get 0 reduction from your evocate thru the whole thing.
You do have a point there. It's often easy to get blinded by the graphs showing FFB low on the charts but the actual difference in DPS between the specs isn't actually that high.
I also think the fact that FFB is "lowest" is pretty circumstantial.. I rocked my first 5k dps with a 10 man group using frostfire spec... Granted, it was on Loathieb where my crit rating was beyond retarded levels, but still. Crit does more for FFB than Arcane, so it fit for that circumstance. I also did really ridiculously high DPS on Thaddius with FFB spec when compared to my last run using Arcane.
As i've stated (and many others have as well).. Arcane is overall better for "run and gun" fights like Grob, Saph, 4 Horsemen, etc, especially cause of the emphasis on haste, and the short cast time of your main spell. So the difference in DPS, is circumstantial as much as it is anything else. I'll continue to keep FFB as my alt spec, even if i can't abuse the focus magic swap anymore, because for some fights, i just come out better on it... and i don't have the gear for fire/TTW yet (the ton of hit rating)
Post by
Arcolite
I get by with 372 Hit in 10man raids. I missed probably 8 or 9 times a night. I'm still on the look out for more Hit gear but I think I've got most of what 10man content can offer me.
I always feel I never have enough crit for FFB. Some fights I rape the charts but then the next week the RNG will hit me hard and I end up way down. Fire/TTW is far more consistant in this regard.
Post by
Achloryn
I get by with 372 Hit in 10man raids. I missed probably 8 or 9 times a night. I'm still on the look out for more Hit gear but I think I've got most of what 10man content can offer me.
I always feel I never have enough crit for FFB. Some fights I rape the charts but then the next week the RNG will hit me hard and I end up way down. Fire/TTW is far more consistant in this regard.
In my gear i only have 281 HR (which is just under 11%.. technically i could cut it down some since i am a draenei, but I have the extra to cover for when i switch to FFB)...
if i were to go Fire/TTW then I'd be 2% short (as there is an SPriest in my guild)... thats, collectively, not a lot, but still more than i'm overly comfortable with.. who knows, I may end up switching to fire/ttw since we're getting our talent points refunded today anyway (as soon as my friggin realm comes back up!)...
i'm like you.. i've got about as much gear as 10 mans can offer me except a t7 headpiece.. haha. hopefully my guild will start doing 25 mans more regularly, but we shall see.
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Post by
Achloryn
Since they fixed the Dual spec buff bugs, does this mean FFB is still dead? or was it ever really dead in the first place?
it wasn't ever really "Dead" in the first place... with 3 mages all of equivalent gear and skill the DPS order will go Fire/TTW > Deep Arcane > Frostfire... the difference between the first and third is only a couple hundred DPS, so I would hardly call frostfire a "dead" spec.. It was just pretty much the first "raid" spec for WotLK for mages to put out the big numbers with. Most people are either deep arcane or fire/ttw now because they have some notion of frostfire being dead, but no.. I wouldn't say that it is.
Post by
nickseng
True, FFB is much easier to manage mana-wise than arcane.. but it has a much lower threat reduction built in than arcane does.
Arcane
has 40%,
Frost
fire
has 20%, and
Fire/TTW
has only 10% threat reduction talented in. (And 10% of frostfire's threat reduction ONLY works on FFB. Not scorch, LB or Pyroblast.)
.
I think Dant should add this to his Mage Myth thread.
FFB does not benefit from both Burning Soul AND Frost Channeling. It only gets 10% thread reduction.
Post by
Achloryn
True, FFB is much easier to manage mana-wise than arcane.. but it has a much lower threat reduction built in than arcane does.
Arcane
has 40%,
Frost
fire
has 20%, and
Fire/TTW
has only 10% threat reduction talented in. (And 10% of frostfire's threat reduction ONLY works on FFB. Not scorch, LB or Pyroblast.)
.
I think Dant should add this to his Mage Myth thread.
FFB does not benefit from both Burning Soul AND Frost Channeling. It only gets 10% thread reduction.
hmm.. it appears i was misinfomed then.. i don't remember where i heard, but i figured since, in all OTHER aspects Frostfire bolt pulls from both frost and fire schools for it's damage multipliers, it would for it's threat reducers as well.
Post by
mageypoo
side note with big BOOOOOO fixed the focus/ffb =( but im sure we saw it coming
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150866
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