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Eleazer
Okay, now that the flame wars have started, I will bring my elitist horse riding back into the fray. Expertise is the 2nd most important stat after Hit once you begin raiding. If you are being dodged 15 times during a boss fight something that's a HUGE LOSS OF DPS. However, heroic gear is made for beginning raiding not end game raiding. Beginning raiding you are still fighting to stay near hit cap so expertise and armour pen is not found on that gear. However as your raiding progresses so do your stats on your gear. There is a ton of expertise on gear once you get into 25 man raiding or Ulduar raiding, which is when the expertise factor comes in. The main reason you don't see much on it is because Expertise sufffers from DR just like all stats it just comes much easier and your dps loss per point of expertise loss is not that great especially the closer you get to 21 expertise.
I am sitting at 15 expertise while raiding 10 man ToC and get about 1-3 dodges on the boss per instance. Do I like it? No. I was actually raiding last night with 11 expertise I was dodged 7 times on Oblit, 5 times on BS, 4 times on FS. So I switched my rings lost about 20 hit gained 4 expertise and my dps went up. I am trying to get to 21 expertise but I have no desire to get less hit or strength to get there.
Post by
Tekz08
Personal experience -
Had base 6 expertise rating as a blood dk.
Swapped out gems from +STR to +EXP to cap out at 21expertise (to eliminate dodge from behind boss)...
Even with the loss of STR... My DPS improved. By a lot.
Definitely going to agree with Eleazer on this one.
Post by
totemmunkey
Wow, really? I'm going to assume you haven't been playing long...
http://www.wowprogress.com/
Why do you find it necessary to attempt to belittle a person when they ask a legitimate question? What does not knowing about a non-Blizzard/non-official website about player ranks have to do with how long a person has been playing the actual game? I've been playing on & off for about 2+ years. I'm not a hardcore raider (having only seen Karazhan, Naxxramas, and the various misc raid bosses with guildmembers), I'm not a hardcore PvPer either. I'm a casual player who usually PuG's heroics if I need to, and gets most enjoyment out of questing and learning more lorewise of the game's story past and present. I don't even give a rabbit's butt about achievements. Hell, for my first year I didn't even know about mods & addons. I was more of a console game for many years. WoW was my first MMO and first real PC game.
So, sorry if I'm not knowledgeable about every miscellaneous website about useless game statistics that has no bearings on my gaming experience. And when the time does come to find a website that will improve my gameplay, I get a rude elitist response by someone who obviously knows every in and out of the game and everyone single website that even mentions anything having to do with WoW. What a community.
Thanks.
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Post by
pezz
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50029
- Blood expertise talent, 6 expertise.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50130
- Frost expertise talent, 5 expertise.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50121
- Unholy expertise talent, 5 expertise.
Unless I'm completely retarded and have missed something, I do believe this should answer your question.
Edit: It's theoretically possible to get the Blood talent and 3/5 of one of the other two talents, which would give you 9 expertise just from talents, but as far as I know there's no viable build where that would actually be taken, so you'll never have more than 5-6 expertise from talents unless you have a sub-standard raiding spec.
Post by
Qlix
Panda................. you nub!
Id also like to point to this little page here ~~~>
GuildOx
sorry im a little late to this party
btw... I love all the people that think elitism is a bad thing
edited for spelling
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