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Aris
lower threat gen
loss of other good tanking talents to get the 6 required to DW
runestrike (a DK tanks best threat gen ability) doesnt work with ToT and thus will do about half the amount of damage it normally would if you were using a 2h'er.
DW is for Frost DPS only.
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Eleazer
The problems with DW tanking has been stated clearly before the only reason it's working for you is that you are lvl 77, you are only doing normals, and you don't raid thereby eliminating this post from even being useful. The shortcomings of DW tanking don't become evident until raiding begins. Plus your entire post became ? when you stated that you did 3k dps on a boss fight in a tank spec while DW at lvl 77. I am an Ulduar geared tank and have yet to pull 3k dps while tanking on a boss fight. Pumping 1.2k dps as a frost tank is due to aoe situations and have nothing to do with it. If you are tanking DW and pulling that dps, I would seriously question if you are even in tanking gear and spec. Please show us the spread sheets or combat log to show us the evidence of this astonishing numbers.
In fact if we could get the other people in your party to post that they saw this 3k dps, becasue if that is true you should be raiding at lvl 77 since most dps can't pull 3k dps in a heroic on a boss fight when they first begin raiding.
You didn't link your weapons to show the difference, or what runes you used, but let me help you out here, not only did you lose health and defense to make the switch you also lost threat production in one fell swoop and became easier to heal, and in the same move jumped from 900 dps to 3k dps that's a substantial claim with unverifiable proof. So in essence by making these claims all knowledgeable dk's will go, "Hmmm, that's BS, that's BS, that's statistically impossible, that makes no sense, and please don't make exaggerated claims without evidence or links."
That is my rant of the day. Thank you for allowing me the privilege to use it on you.
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GenXCub
wow. i come here usually just for the priest forums. they dont condescend anyone. so whats your beaf eleazer? mommy and daddy dont show any attention?
well heres my armory
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Garrosh&n=Basgrannia
to prove i am in fact in defensive gear. next instance i run ill link my recount. and one time pulling 3k on a boss. (first in GD) happened from the snakes and alot of aoe dmg. DnD HB BB. every CD KM proc'd HB crits etc. and it was one time. ive long since reset my recount from that. maybe this easy ass game is too difficult for some to grasp and dont do good numbers. /shrug not my fault.
as far as my dps being 1.2k while tanking. doesnt seem hard when wrath launched my shadow priest was pulling 1.2k or greater at level 70. but sitll next instance i tank ill provide a link to my recount as well as a link to the dmg taken just to prove it was while tanking. should i add the heals taken just too be sure you get it?
ive read the stickies long before i rolled my dk. and what i foubnd out was DW is possible just more difficult which is what i was after. i simply asked a couple legit questions and expect legit answers not some childish tantrum.
thank you aris for at least providing an answer to those simple questions.
as far as my level..um why do you think im askin now? maybe because im a day or two from dinging 80 and attempting heroics and raids? maybe (it must be a stretch or your simple imagination) thats why i am askin these questions now. could be im getting ready for later content and want all the facts in besides BS answers like "dont just dont"
so with that being said besides a return to post recounted proof i bid you all ado. no wonder people talk smack about dk's with a community like this which does very little to help eachother out.
1) The rogue forums are far worse.
2) There have been pages and pages and pages of people who come in here thinking DW Tanking is the way to go. And while you CAN do it, it's not optimal. You're intentionally putting yourself a peg down from 2h tanking just to look cool.
This is why Eleazer says what he says. Too many people who come in saying they can fire 90 death coils per second and pull massive dps, all while in a tank spec (hyperbole, but this is what we see a LOT). It's not reality.
If you threw a HB against Slaadran in GD while all those level 1 snakes are still on the floor, I don't think you can accurately say you did 3k dps on a boss,.
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Eleazer
Nite,
No one is claiming the 1.2k is garbage, we stated the 3k was not possible. I also clearly stated why it wasn't, in the midst of my rant. The reason I ranted, is because this topic has been discussed ad-nauseum, and every dk on this board is tired of seeing another new dk posting why he will be the one to prove that it is better than 2h. Good luck, because the other 20 plus threads posted by similar people with "amazing" numbers have all gone away. Why? because while DW tanking is available there are problems to it, and you basically need to over gear for an instance.
Post your recount if you want, but the truth is no one cares about a pre-80's claims at greatness, because the level of difficulty is not there. Heck! I could pull 10k dps in Dead mines! OOOOO, that's an idea. Or in one fight I can pull 7.5k in tank gear on a lower tier normal, when you are tanking things below your level it doesn't count.
The major reason for the rant is the direction your post took. You started off your post by stating that everyone is telling you dw tanking is bad, but you are great so you made it work. You then did not ask a question but began to give reasons as to why you are better than others. The entire post oozed of conceited arrogance, You didn't ask a single question till the very end. You simply issued out a complete puff piece as to your greatness, and then asked your question. The question was not a honest to goodness question it was a challenge. Your challenge framed as a question was an "I don't care what anyone says look how good I did now prove me wrong" type of question.
The major reason no one else posted is as follows:
1. You are lvl 77 so no one cares.
2. We have a lot of DK trolls and they figured this was just another one.
3. They read my reply found it humorous, which was its intent, and figured it wasn't worth their time to reply.
4. This topic has been covered numerous times and since you were too lazy to read the other posts on it why should they bother answering you.
Finally, Aris was nice to you. Typically, both Aris and I cover the realm of arrogant know-it-all dk's. Typically he will brow beat you into submission, maybe he was just tired of ripping on DW tanks today. However we are led by the all-knowing, king of arrogance Samhein (blood dk of the gods), the on-vacation at the moment, prince of puff pieces Lynri (frost gnome of goodness), and the always kind know-it-all Nystali (brilliant tanking info though I now out gear him come on Nystali get working!). We like to badger and pester all those who we feel are less than ourselves, under strict command from our superiors. So any problem with my superiority complex can be blamed on anyone but myself. I like to blame Samhein, simply because it raises his hackles. He has impressive hackles too.
Well, that is about it. If you have any other questions please direct your thread to that wall over there, as you will probably get the opinion you want then.
Now that, my friends, is a well executed and directed rant. See how I smoothly and deftly ripped him to shreds while keeping it quite humorous. Not once did I resort to calling him names or insulting his parents or how he was raised. Yes, I am great, and the fact that I know it doesn't make me arrogant only right. Don't hate me because I am beautiful!
This episode was brought to you by Eleazer of Jubei'thos - Bored at work!
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@Iegu
I do not write too much. You read too little. There is a difference :D!
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PureGold
Is dual wield tanking possible. Yes, its fun and gosh darn it, I don't lose aggro to guys that are
ten times better geared than me.
I highly doubt that.
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Nelfshane
loss of other good tanking talents to get the 6 required to DW
What other good tanking talents? From what I've seen
12/51/8
is something to the accord of the cookie cutter frost 2h tank build. In it we see that just to get to the bottom of the talent tree so you have more access to the later tier frost, you need to throw your talents into things that they wouldn't normally otherwise go into except in dps. The only possible exception to this is two ranks in CotG for bonus runic power generation. But Merciless Combat? I've read all over the place in multiple agruements about it in tanking specs and it was established by many to be worthless since bonus threat generation that late in a boss fight isn't really needed. It's only a damage booster for more dps. Deathchill is pretty much the same, though one could argue that the instant crit is a large boost to threat early on. To top it off, there's two in blood to help boost damage and thusly threat of a 2-hander. All in all, if you want to do the math, there are 7 "wasted" talents in the 2h tree to make that viable. Where as if you look at the build I use,
10/52/9
, you'll see a virtually identical build without the need to put filler points in so you can reach the later levels of frost tanking. I'm not trying to say that dw is superior to 2h, I'm just saying that you should look at what you're doing before you call a group of talents "wasted."
runestrike (a DK tanks best threat gen ability) doesnt work with ToT and thus will do about half the amount of damage it normally would if you were using a 2h'er.
That I will agree with to some extent, but the more frequent insta crit frost strikes through the greater numbers of swings from utilizing killing machine does help a lot.
DW is for Frost DPS only.
DW if done properly and not by an idiot can be a viable tanking spec, though it requires a careful balancing act in order to work properly. DW tanks, like myself, are indeed defense starved, I won't deny this, and thusly we need to be more careful than the 2h tanks using Stoneskin. However, it can be quite rewarding to play. I personally don't mind the off-tank role that many feel dw is only good for. That being said, I have main tanked a few naxx boss and emerged just fine.
Oh right. Probably should link myself too =P. Don't want people to miss out on mocking me. heh.
My WoW Head profile for my current tanking gear.
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