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Post by
hatman555
I have the most awesome Wowhead username.
There are 157 users with "awesome" in their actual name. To me that means you are no more than the 158th most awesome Wowhead username.
Hat
edit:
AceMcAwesome
probably wins #1(##RESPBREAK##)136##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##
Post by
Interest
I have the most interesting one.
Post by
Adamsm
Only in your mind.
Post by
Rankkor
ohhh fred you are so
CUTE
her impression of a vampire is just adorable :P
Post by
MyTie
Only in your mind.
, my very young apprentice.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
@Hat- I would go with AceMcAwesome as well. I feel like AceMcAwesomeSauce would be better, but I don't know if it would fit.
@MyTie- I think there is a huge difference between saying that someone should be prevented from doing something based on a measurable physical characteristic (like strength) because they're not suited for it, or should be treated differently because their own actions in the past have proved that they are a threat, and saying that it's ok for organizations to exclude people of a gender or color because their member don't want to be around them.
The first is a practical exclusion based on something measurable, and if the only basis is physical strength then it's not preventing any specific color or gender of person, just setting reasonable job requirements. It would be silly to set a strength requirement for someone whose job was answering the phone, but not for someone who has to carry people out of buildings.
Treating an individual a certain way based on their personal actions (in the case of the child molestor) is the exact opposite of discrimination. Discrimination is treating an entire group of people differently because of a trait that has nothing to do with the activity or position from which they're being excluded. Treating a child molester differently is judging specific people based on the exact trait that makes them a danger to society.
Yes people of different background had different life experiences- it's called diversity. It's not a good reason that they can't play a round of golf next to you, or order drinks from the same bar that you do- the trait has nothing to do with the activity. And women don't have a different background than the men they grow up with. They go to the same schools and churches, grow up with the same parents and exposed to the same culture. The physical differences, again, have nothing to do with how fit they are to order a drink, or if they can afford membership dues. Certainly, since the club allows women guests of members, even they don't feel that them being on the golf course is totally unacceptable. In this case, it is 100% about them wanting to make a statement that they don't feel that a woman of equal means and the same background as the men who came before her in the same position is worthy of membership in their club.
Post by
MyTie
Elhonna - There are very real psychological differences between women and men. They think differently. Actions of men and women, based on pharamones and hormones, which in each other' presence varies from how they behave not in the presence of those. Besides the physical implications to men at having a female present, there are also societal expectations placed on men in the presence of women. I don't find these influences, physical, psychological, and social to be burdensome. I can imagine that there are men who are more fragile than myself that are adversely impacted by these effects, that may wish to escape them during recreation. Could we agree that the differences between an all male group and a duel gender group are more than imaginary?
Post by
Interest
Only in your mind.
My mind rules all
Post by
Adamsm
Only in your mind.
My mind rules all
Riiiight.
Post by
Interest
Oh #$%^. I need to reserve a few names on the beta.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Elhonna - There are very real psychological differences between women and men. They think differently. Actions of men and women, based on pharamones and hormones, which in each other' presence varies from how they behave not in the presence of those. Besides the physical implications to men at having a female present, there are also societal expectations placed on men in the presence of women. I don't find these influences, physical, psychological, and social to be burdensome. I can imagine that there are men who are more fragile than myself that are adversely impacted by these effects, that may wish to escape them during recreation. Could we agree that the differences between an all male group and a duel gender group are more than imaginary?
Imaginary? No. A reason to not allow women to use certain facilities, join certain clubs, or socialize in the same buildings? Also no. I don't mean to say that someone can't invite who they want to a private party, or make friends with people they want to based on whatever they like. But a country club is a business, and a business shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against customers based on things like race or gender. They can require a certain code of conduct, a certain decorum of dress, proof that you can meet the financial obligations of a membership, etc., because the first two are things people do that affects the atmosphere, and the last is relevant to their ability to pay. But they shouldn't be able to say "Nope, no women allowed. Their presence is enough to ruin my game."
And besides that, they already do allow women to enter the club, to play, to socialize, etc.- they just have to come with a member who is a man. So it's not about not having women there. It's about not having a woman there on her own.
Post by
MyTie
Ok. Do you feel that way for all organizations? NAACP? NOW? Belizean Grove? Congressional Black Caucus? etc...
I can easily buy someone feeling totally against racial/gender discrimination, if they don't have double standards. If you would feel ok with allowing a man into Belizean Grove.
On a side note, I feel the same way about people who have a problem with Belizean Grove female only membership, but not Augusta's Male only membership.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Did you read my edit two or three posts above. Similar organizations in my college had no membership restrictions- Black Student Alliance, Latin American Club, etc. I have personally represented like 3 countries I had no ties to for different international festivals, went to a Black Panthers meeting that was happening on our campus and got no flack for it, got involved in helping set up cultural events rooted in various religious and cultural backgrounds that I didn't share, etc. I had friends who were Italian and Bangladeshi-American who were part of the Black Student Alliance, and one year the Latin American Club elected a president who was from Eastern Europe. I don't think you need to be a member of a specific culture to gain something from events to celebrate and meetings to inform about it.
I would say that, across the board, I don't think that race or gender should be a determining factor in membership. I think if someone who is white has a strong educational and legal background in the specific history of and challenges facing the African American community, they have as much right to be on the Congressional Black Caucus as anyone else. I think if someone is interested in promoting women's equality and wants to join a group to do so, it shouldn't matter if they're a man.
Post by
MyTie
Ok. I don't think I agree with you, but I find your position fair.
Post by
909566
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Post by
Rankkor
I have the most awesome Wowhead username.
There are 157 users with "awesome" in their actual name. To me that means you are no more than the 158th most awesome Wowhead username.
Hat
edit:
AceMcAwesome
probably wins #1
grats on getting mod
im not gay, but guys with green eyes make my balls tingle
we.................. didn't really needed to know that man :S
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Maybe it's just my personal experience, but my college was extremely culturally and ethnically diverse, and it was one of the things they promoted the most. I had a lot of friends not just of different ethnicities and religions, but who had come to the school from different countries and so had a completely different culture.
And no matter what cultural events were going on, I almost always got an invitation and was almost always was made to feel like a part of the group. Chinese Student Association doing Chinese New Year? El come we need you to help us make dumplings. Diwali time- El, do you have a sari or do you need to borrow one? We need a soprano for this Russian song for the international festival- El, you sing, right? Hey El, you're going to come root for Sri Lanka at the cricket game tomorrow, right? Stuff like that.
I actually got an award my senior year for the graduating student who had done the most to bridge cultural gaps during their college career. My friends said it just meant that I had hosted the parties that had gotten people from more countries drunk at once than anyone else :/
Post by
909566
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
Relevant
Speaking of bugs, we got attacked by termites in my office :(
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909566
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