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Post by
MyTie
There are geniuses, they just don't stand out as much anymore.
I hadn't considered this. Maybe we can use this same reasoning for the economy.... "The money is still there... I just cant
see
it."
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Laihendi
I would like to add that just because there is funding from the taxpayers for education, that doesn't mean the funding is universally distributed, nor does it mean that the provided education is worth the amount of money being pushed into it. I assure you I can say this with absolute confidence.
You're a musician, Lahendi. Surely you recognize that the students who practice at home are going to end up being better musicians, because they're putting the time in to improving themselves. This is classified often as homework, when in reality it's nothing of the sort. There are plenty of parents who sign practice sheets (or practice cheats, as some band directors call them) just because they want their student to get an A in the class. Then there are the parents who take the time to make their kids practice, and those that even take the extra step and involve themselves in the child's practice. In the end, this is what homeschooling is - it's a decision by the parents to involve themselves their child's education. Liberals should be thrilled by this, because it means one less child in the classroom which means that the children who do go to public school would technically receive more per-student education time.
Just like with music, there are plenty of guidebooks and other resources available to assist and guide parents - whether single parents or otherwise - to improving their child's education.
And without the school the student would never learn to play in an ensemble.
Post by
MyTie
No no... Godzilla... your missing the point. Common sense has nothing to do with it. The point of liberalism is to give government more power, under the disguise of empowering the people. Genious really. The more kids out of parents hands and into these terribly crappy schools the better. Not only does the government take your money and give you something worth a quarter of what you paid, but you should take it. Not only should you take it,
but to do something without government help is wrong
. Still trying to figure out why. So far I've just got: Government knows best. No reasons really.
Edit: Like Laihendi says... ensembles would not exist without government help. They can't. You literally cannot function without government, so don't try. At least, that's his logic. I can't decypher this stuff.
Post by
Laihendi
There are geniuses, they just don't stand out as much anymore.
I hadn't considered this. Maybe we can use this same reasoning for the economy.... "The money is still there... I just cant
see
it."
At this point money isn't even a material thing anymore, it's just a theoretical currency backed up by your confidence in the government.
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GoGoGodzilla
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Post by
MyTie
No no.. BAD ZILLA! You cannot... I repeat... CANNOT do that without government help. It is simply impossible.
Edit: And if you do manage to figure out how to tie your shoes without paying government 150K dollars an hour to make sure you do it right, then you are definately doing it wrong.
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GoGoGodzilla
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Post by
Laihendi
And without the school the student would never learn to play in an ensemble.
Or several parents, interested in providing the opportunity for their children to improve, would find or create community bands, which has been done for centuries, and not just in America.
Brassed Off!
is a story of a colliery's brass band and their successes and failures. Where the story isn't about education, these sorts of bands are normal. They've been around for as long as instruments have existed.
Most Drum Corps are not involved in any way with public education or public funding. You're simply underestimating parents, or people in general.
You really think there would be as many children exposed to music education without public schools? Most people Laihendi know have no interest in music, or just listen to complete garbage (Laihendi isn't pointing anyone out, but you know what he means).
Post by
MyTie
Most people Laihendi know have no interest in music, or just listen to complete garbage (Laihendi isn't pointing anyone out, but you know what he means).
And your saying that these people would be improved with public education? So you must be refering to the homeschooled kids, as not being interested in music, because as you already said, the government does a GREAT job of making sure music lessons reach kids.
Post by
Laihendi
Laihendi is saying that the more exposure to musical education a child has, the more be can understand and appreciate
real
music, and not the popular garbage that plagues radios today. Not everyone in school gets any musical education past elementary, but if not for public schools they wouldn't even get that.
And before you say "well all those kids would get it if they were home schooled"... no. If their parents really cared, they would have their child learning an instrument, or music theory, or SOMETHING as an extracurricular activity.
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GoGoGodzilla
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Sagramor
This sucks.....
I agree with the dead guy.
Post by
MyTie
Laihendi is saying that the more exposure to musical education a child has, the more be can understand and appreciate
real
music, and not the popular garbage that plagues radios today. Not everyone in school gets any musical education past elementary, but if not for public schools they wouldn't even get that.
And before you say "well all those kids would get it if they were home schooled"... no. If their parents really cared, they would have their child learning an instrument, or music theory, or SOMETHING as an extracurricular activity.
My daughter plays the piano. Do I suck less as a teacher now?
I swear... my daughter has to cure cancer before you stop flaming homeschooling.
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107106
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Post by
Laihendi
So, letting the system go as it has been - losing money - is a better solution? So you're just as happy to see band directors defending their program year after year until their program gets cut and they're forced to teach a math / science / history class in addition to music?What does that have to do with anything Laihendi said?
Further, if people don't have any interest in music, then why would you force it on them? I love music. I can play any instrument you hand to me to a relative degree of success. My interest in music came from my parents exposing me to music, not from public school. Home-school programs can be tailored to include music.That's like saying "Why should you force PE on someone who doesn't have any interest in it? Or math, or history, or science" Do you see where Laihendi is going here?
And you are fortunate that your parents exposed you to music. Most don't. Laihendi's parents certainly didn't, and if it weren't for his middle school band director and a few other people, he'd be listening to the same trash that millions of other people do in this country, and not realize that it has absolutely no substance, and that it's nothing more than empty, meaningless sounds.
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