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DOTD - Debate of The Day #52
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Post by
MyTie
Booze is easy to produce at home, unlike guns. I can make moonshine in my bathtub. I can't make an AK-47 in my bathtub.
Post by
OverZealous
I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!'
And people'd think before they shot someone 'Man I will blow your f*****g head off, if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man
Honestly, that might work - lol.
Post by
MyTie
I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!'
And people'd think before they shot someone 'Man I will blow your f*****g head off, if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man
Honestly, that might work - lol.
Bullets are cheap and easy to produce. You can't "make bullets cost more". They cost what they cost due to supply and demand. It isn't some price somebody in the pentagon sets, like a variable a programmer sets in world of warcraft.
I could build bullets at home. I don't know how, but I could figure it out and build the machinery needed.
It's an entertaining thought, though.
Post by
OverZealous
I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!'
And people'd think before they shot someone 'Man I will blow your f*****g head off, if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man
Honestly, that might work - lol.
Bullets are cheap and easy to produce. You can't "make bullets cost more". They cost what they cost due to supply and demand. It isn't some price somebody in the pentagon sets, like a variable a programmer sets in world of warcraft.
It's an entertaining thought, though.
Oh, I know - which is why it's only a joke. It does make a point, though - if was expensive as heck to kill someone with a gun, I reckon less people would be killed with guns than right now. Of course, upping the prices for bullets would bring a score of problems for the military which in turn would bring more problems, etc.
Post by
Adamsm
Of course, upping the prices for bullets would bring a score of problems for the military which in turn would bring more problems, etc.
Well, unless they just made civilian bullets the expensive ones; IE the ones purchasable from local gun stores and some mega shopping chains.
Post by
yukonjack
Of course, upping the prices for bullets would bring a score of problems for the military which in turn would bring more problems, etc.
Well, unless they just made civilian bullets the expensive ones; IE the ones purchasable from local gun stores and some mega shopping chains.
Sure a very large tax could be placed on ammunition, though all I see that doing is increasing the illegal ammunition market.
As I stated in an earlier post in this thread I do not believe gun laws will lower crimes involving guns but I would like to add I think the issue is closely tied to culture and the US has a very strong gun culture even compared to Canada and especially compared to Japan and the UK. Which is why I originally asked Fatal where specifically she meant when asking if changes to gun laws would reduce crimes involving guns.
Post by
Magician22773
Rank, you seem to have biased info there. Gun Control Laws work fine here and NZ
This
study seems to show a different look at AUS / NZ and gun control.
The short form of what it shows it that both AUS and NZ had a similar number of mass shooting prior to the 1996 ban on most types of weapons.
Although there have been no mass shootings since that time in AUS, there also have been no mass shootings in NZ either, which did not enact the strict gun laws.
It also points out that the economy in AUS has been much better since that time, and that is likely a bigger factor in the crime rate dropping, more than the gun control.
As I have said before, if somehow, the government could assure me that criminals would not have access to guns, than I would have less of a problem not having access to them as well. But, as long as the bad guys have nearly unrestricted access to them, taking away the good guys method of defense is just not a logical argument. I have no problems with regulations such as waiting periods and background checks, but law abiding citizens should not be restricted from owning firearms for defense or for sport.
Post by
164232
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Post by
MyTie
People still drive drunk, speed, and even drive without licence/insurance etc.
So... equivalent arguments to gun control would look like these questions:
Making booze more expensive won't cut back on DUI?
Making booze bottles more expensive then?
Making it illegal to not only drive when drunk, but change lanes
when drunk? Certainly that will deter the drunk!
In the end, you cannot legislate responsibility. Government is not a daddy that can make everyone behave. By giving government the power you think it needs to stop harmful people, all you are doing is burdening yourself and not stopping crime.
Consider this: This guy in Colorado had bombs. Bomb making is against the law in most jurisdictions including the entire US. There are things in place to try to stop people from gathering components and knowledge to make bombs. Everything the government could do to stop this guy from making bombs, they did. In the end, he still got them. In the absence of guns, he could have placed bombs in the movie theater, and killed many more than he could have with guns, and maybe even gotten away with it.
The guns that he used weren't evil.
He was evil.
Him. No one and nothing else. All of the blame placed on everything else imaginable but him genuinely bothers me. Place blame on the scum of a human who took the lives of others.
You really want to try to stop people from hurting others in the future? Teach morals. Teach personal responsibility. I do it. It's Christian values. That's my contribution to bettering the world. I get condemned for it, though. I get mocked for it. I get compared to... well... I guess this is moving off topic now.
Post by
164232
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Post by
MyTie
I agree with pretty much all of what you said above, but for one small point.
It's
Christian
values.
I would contend that it's values, not christian, or any other form of religious values.
Lets face it, there are just as many religious nuts, as non-religious nuts doing bad things.
But at the same time, there are both religious, and non-religious people doing good things in the world.
But again, you are correct, this is probably OT.
Yes. I agree. I just meant that those are the values I teach. Choose values, just teach some values. Enough of this anything goes mentality.
Post by
Rankkor
out of curiosity Fenomas, on what country do you live on?
Japan. If there's a country with stricter gun laws I've not heard of it. (Even swords require registration.)
Number of recorded gun killings in 2008: eleven.
You lucky punk, you have no idea how much I envy you. I've wanted to live in Japan since.............. EVER.
one of the safest countries in the world, but I doubt gun-control is the reason for it, as there are other countries with harsh restrictions that are just as violent as mine.
I think its a cultural thing. After all, 90% of the most violent videogames are made in japan (Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, ect) and its still one of the countries with the lowest crime/homicide rate ever.
I really wish I lived there ='(
Post by
Rankkor
I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!'
And people'd think before they shot someone 'Man I will blow your f*****g head off, if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man
Honestly, that might work - lol.
Bullets are cheap and easy to produce. You can't "make bullets cost more". They cost what they cost due to supply and demand. It isn't some price somebody in the pentagon sets, like a variable a programmer sets in world of warcraft.
I could build bullets at home. I don't know how, but I could figure it out and build the machinery needed.
It's an entertaining thought, though.
wrong. Bullets are cheap to produce, but whoever controls them can decide if they are sold expensive or not. Like I said, on my country, every bullet costs at least 10000 bolivares. That's a lot of $_$ for a simple piece o' metal with some gunpowder inside.
If any government wanted to make bullets expensive, they would, end of story.
Whether or not that would fix anything, that's another story of course.
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164232
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Post by
Magician22773
Booze is easy to produce at home, unlike guns. I can make moonshine in my bathtub. I can't make an AK-47 in my bathtub.
You cant make an AK, but making a functional firearm, especially a shotgun, is probably easier than making moonshine. A couple dollars worth of basic plumbing pipe and fittings, a spring, and a nail, and I can have you a shotgun assembled in 5 minutes or less.
Post by
Rankkor
Booze is easy to produce at home, unlike guns. I can make moonshine in my bathtub. I can't make an AK-47 in my bathtub.
You cant make an AK, but making a functional firearm, especially a shotgun, is probably easier than making moonshine. A couple dollars worth of basic plumbing pipe and fittings, a spring, and a nail, and I can have you a shotgun assembled in 5 minutes or less.
Yep, those are called "chopitos" on street slang here in venezuela, or "home-made guns". Though I will say that the accuracy and safety of those things is ridiculously low. They're as much a danger to you as they are to your target.
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168916
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Post by
Squishalot
@ fenomas: OT somewhat, but are you Japanese, or an ex-pat?
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168916
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