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Done Warrior Tanking For Now
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Post by
FranklinNoble
Been playing a prot warrior since I first came to WoW, but lately, it just seems the class is so average.
I have a level 80 paladin tank with half the gear my warrior has, and he lives longer, clears content easier, does more dps, has more raid utility (buffs, etc) and is more fun to play.
Why should I keep playing a warrior? They are total fail as off-tanks, and even dual-specced for arms, their DPS is sub-par to other classes. At least my paladin's off-spec (holy) is useful; and when he's off-tanking, he's not totally gimped.
Even with the improvements we got in 3.2, the warrior lags behind the paladin for tanking.
It would be nice if Blizzard had some plan to fix this, but from what I gathered in the class Q&A they posted not long ago, they're telling us the class is fine the way it is.
Post by
Porcell
Have fun as a paladin.
Post by
twitch77
meh, i've heard alot of complaints like this.
but i love tanking with my warrior.
i don't know about raids as i haven't done a whole lot of raiding. . .but from my experiences with 5 man heroics my warrior is just fine at tanking anything thrown at me.
like i said before, it's the player behind the warrior.
sure it takes alot of work to get good at tanking with a warrior effectively (imho). . .but that's part of the fun for me. i take pride in improving my skills as a tank with my warrior.
and sure we have weaker aoe threat abilities then other tanking classes. does this mean we can't aoe tank? not even close. i almost never lose agro anymore with 4+ badies.
i like the difficult learning curve warrior tanks have. . .just makes tanking more gratifying for me.
but yeah, maybe warriors just aren't for you. play your pally, enjoy him, and move on.
but i don't believe it's because warrior tanks suck. from my experience, it's not the warrior class that sucks. . .it's that the player playing the warrior is struggling.
thnx.
Post by
FranklinNoble
You're missing the point.
I totally agree that it takes more skill to warrior tank. I'm very good at it. In some cases, I like it because it's more challenging.
I'm saying you take the same skill and apply it to a paladin tank, you have a whole lot more power at your disposal. You can do things that you simply cannot do as a warrior.
The opposite is not true.
There are some limited situations where a warrior might have a particular talent that shines, but they are few and far between, and pale in comparison to the overall utility of the paladin tank right now.
The classes are NOT balanced right now, and if you're arguing that they are, you're delusional.
Post by
twitch77
i don't want to argue about class balances because i honestly wouldn't know.
all i'm saying is from my experiences warriors can tank just fine. and for me, i really enjoy tanking with my warrior.
but i've never tried tanking with other classes. . .maybe if i tried out a pally i'd come to the same conclusion as you have. who knows?
but for now i'm having too much fun with warriors. i can tank with little problems in the 5 mans i do, and i can produce decent amounts of dps in my off spec.
Post by
skumbananer
On my warr in threath gear i can produce 2,3k dps when tanking patchwerk 10man. I never seen any other tankclass break 2k.
But yeah, i agree with you on the other parts.
Post by
marklartank
warriors might be a little tougher to play than a pally, especially in threat-generation. however, if you are failing as an OT or at DPS, then it is you that is failing, not the class.
to answer your question, you should not keep playing your warrior. you should log onto your pally and make that your main immediately - fewer fotm warriors to worry about.
Post by
FranklinNoble
warriors might be a little tougher to play than a pally, especially in threat-generation. however, if you are failing as an OT or at DPS, then it is you that is failing, not the class.
to answer your question, you should not keep playing your warrior. you should log onto your pally and make that your main immediately - fewer fotm warriors to worry about.
Been tanking since vanilla on my warrior. Been tanking since TBC on my Paladin. I'm hardly "flavor of the month."
But I'm also not a class-blind fanboy that can't see the truth for what it is. Prot warriors bring less to the table than prot paladins. In TBC, when paladins had to give up other tanking stats to gear towards spell power for threat, there was an advantage to being a warrior tank. We were generally stronger on single-target fights and physical damage mitigation.
Right now, that's not the case. The only thing the warrior class has in its favor is greater immunity to silence, and greater mobility. But a paladin has a three-target ranged spell interrupt that mitigates the need for the mobility an a whole lot of DoTs and passive damage generation to keep threat up while silenced.
Post by
marklartank
it's fine that you don't want to play your warrior anymore, it's not for everyone... enjoy your pally.
but i don't think you're going to find a lot of agreement here; i have yet to find the encounter that a pally can do that i can't.
Post by
Porcell
but i don't think you're going to find a lot of agreement here; i have yet to find the encounter that a pally can do that i can't.
Phase 3 of Yogg-Saron. That the only, ONLY, fight that I hate to tank and that a Paladin is much better suited for.
Absolutely any other fight, I feel I am as good or better than a paladin.
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Post by
Lorkin
I tanked both on my Warrior and my Paladin and I clearly like tanking on the warrior better. He's got better gear so that probably has a lot to do with it. The mechanics for a paladin feel "off" to me, I was just missing a lot of things I took for granted on my warrior. Just the ability to move around the battle space, unique abilities like spell reflect, and having infinite were just too good in a tank environment.
That being said, I'm on my paladin a lot more than my warrior. Has nothing to do mainly with tanking raids though. The Paladin moves faster, can solo a LOT of things my warrior can't (Onyxia, Outlands 5 mans, Kara, etc) and I'm having a ton of fun doing so. Also healing is the last role I've taken on and it's a lot of fun still. Maybe I'm just burnt out on tanking.
In summary, if my guildies / friends needed me to tank I bring the warrior. Otherwise I'm mainly on my paladin.
Post by
Drythils
Your opinion of warrior vs. pally tanking is so bias. Warriors can be just as good if not better the pally tanks if played right. Warrior just takes a higher skill level to tank as. You say your a very good tank? Then you'd be doing just as well on your warrior as you do on your pally. Therefore, you are not great warrior tank. Not at all bad, just not great.
Have fun as a pally. And arms is mostly pvp btw, if you wanna dps go fury.
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Post by
marklartank
Phase 3 of Yogg-Saron. That the only, ONLY, fight that I hate to tank and that a Paladin is much better suited for.
why do you say that? i don't mind phase 3 - just rotate the camera and taunt as soon as they're in range.
Post by
FranklinNoble
On my warr in threath gear i can produce 2,3k dps when tanking patchwerk 10man. I never seen any other tankclass break 2k.
But yeah, i agree with you on the other parts.
Downloaded recount just to test this. I did 2.1k on Patchwerk 10 last night on my paladin in a lot of blue gear (armory Devout on Terokkar).
As the OFF TANK. I let our poor warrior main tank that fight, because I knew he'd never build enough threat as the off tank to take the hurtfuls (we had a shaman pulling 4k dps) because of the broken and lousy rage system.
As for the shield bash interrupt? I have Avenger's Shield. I can interrupt up to THREE targets at range on my paladin.
Warriors have Warbringer. That's about it. Highly situational.
I guess I'm not going to find much agreement here... just thought I'd try to enlighten a few of you. I held out on my warrior tank for years, and have finally given up on it, until Blizzard decides to really balance the class.
Post by
Rubendesmet619
Anyone stating warriors are toptanks are idiots, sorry for saying so.
The only thing they bring is sunder armor. I would take a warrior tank any day of the week just for that, wel yea what can I say, im an armswarrior :p.
Warriors atm do les DPS and have les survivability then a paladin. Saying otherwise is just stupid.
Yes I love my warrior, no I won't change, yes I hate QQ about warriors(especiely about PvP) but while I push out DPS to slip into the top3 on Ignis, I wouldn't even wanne know the DPS I could push on a rogue.
Funny thing is, blizzard said in Q&A that palie tankin is worse then warriortanking in 3.1, makes you wonder wheter they play the game.
Warriors can tank anything, are awsome tanks etc. al true...
palies are only better at 90% of it.
Kinde like warriors were fine in 3.1 PvP but DK's/rets were OP.
Post by
Arideni
I'm not so sure about being less fun...
Sure, we're smashing seals and stuff as pally tanks, but brothers let me tell you...nothing is quite the same as a cold, hard Shield Slam to the face. Now
that'll
wake ya up in the mornin'
Whatever you choose to do FranklinNoble -- use Protection.
...and because one is never enough:
For those about to tank, WE SALUTE YOU!
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