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Do Totem Buffs cancel other classes buffs?
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Post by
Gnub
The Druid was right.
Mana Stream and Blessing of Wisdom is the "same buff", and thus the strongest one will cancel out the weaker one.
Same is the case with quite a bit of the other totems, it's pretty simple once you notice it: If the buff gives the same stats'ish, they're of the same buff-type, and replace each other.
There's most likely a complete list somewhere.
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Post by
Hashshashins
For stuff like this I have a second setup on my totem bars (since I dont pvp I can spare it). Its the exact same as normal (Stoneskin, ToW, WoA) but instead of mana spring I have healing stream. Its just incase there are 2 pallies in the group so the group gets extra utility, the healers get a slight buffer to help them and when casters/healers eventually do go out of range of totems, they haven't lost their BoW. Its not a huge deal really, as you said you flew through Nexus with ease and if this was the case then the regen, though nice, wasn't needed by the druid.
In all, you live and learn, don't be sorry, just don't do it again, otherwise we'll have to send the boys round! :D
Post by
TheRealAzoth
If I'm not mistaken EVERY totem & buff has an alternative from another class. This is part of Blizzard's "bring the player not the class" method of gameplay. So when in a 5 man it requires a little thought as to what totems to drop. Dropping a totem that has no effect because of another players buff is just a waste of mana.
A few web references to help figure out what totems have the same effects as other class buffs.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Buff
http://foreveranoob.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/stack-your-raid-buffs/
http://dwarfpriest.com/2008/09/09/raid-stacking-101/
http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/
Post by
omenofd
Strength of Earth does not stack with Horn of Winter. If a shaman specs into
Enhancing Totems
dropping a SoE totem will remove Horn of Winter from an entire raid. Stonskin totem is weak. If you have no other earth totem to drop, use this.
Windfury also does not stack with improved icy talons from a frost DK.
DK talent tree
Middle column left side. If they have those 3 on the left you might as well not drop windfury. Unless you spec into
Improved Windfury Totem
, their buff is better. Nothing has the same effect as Wrath of Air for a wind totem.
The same goes for BoW and Mana Spring as said earlier. If the pally is holy, they have specced into BoW and it gives the samage mana regeneration as a restoration shaman with Mana Spring totem.
In that case, use healing stream or fire resistance totem.
With flametongue, only ToW is better. Your other option is Frost resistance or Magma totem.
Post by
oberondreaming
If I'm not mistaken EVERY totem & buff has an alternative from another class.
I don't believe Wrath of Air totem has a replacement.
And there some utility ones that can't be beat, like Tremor totem or Cleansing totem.
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Zakkhar
Strength of Earth does not stack with Horn of Winter. If a shaman specs into
Enhancing Totems
dropping a SoE totem will remove Horn of Winter from an entire raid. Stonskin totem is weak. If you have no other earth totem to drop, use this.
Stoneskin totem isnt weak. Its quite powerfull additional 1150 armor for your tank (check plate tanking pieces and see how much that is) and it stacks with Devotion aura.
By dropping it you basically boost Effective Health of your tank.
Post by
Gnostik
Your totems don't "cancel" any buffs, they simply don't stack a lot of the time. If, say, Horn of Winter is on a target, and you drop Strength of Earth, your totem isn't "cancelling" anything, it just does nothing.
As a general rule, other class buffs that do the same thing as a totem do it slightly better - unless that totem is improved (e.g.
these talents
.) So those buffs overwrite ours, making the totem useless.
The one notable exception to this is Stoneskin, which is stackable.
So it seems like the Druid was over-reacting a bit. The only harm done is the lost mana from casting the useless totem (and maybe the fact that you aren't casting a better totem that
wouldn't
be useless.)
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Post by
Mesoforte
Hey Shamies!
Yesterday, I ran The Nexus with a random group - Myself as Ehna, 2 x RetPally, 1 x DK and Resto Druid as healer.
That was one of those fast and chaotic runs in "zerg" mode... were all the tactics is "not to die" and one healer and three DPS off-healers means, that we smashed the Nexus to the ground with an ease. Anyway...
At the begining, the Druid healer was still asking for buffs from pallys... and qqing after every fight, that the buffs are gone. Finally, he stunned me with a request: "
Shammy, dont pop up your totems, they cancel other buffs!
"
Need to mention, during the trash I popped the basic 5-man meele/healer totem set (Strength of Earth, Flametongue, Mana Stream and Windfury totems).
If it was a ret pallies wisdom, your mana spring would not override the buff, unless they were stupid and casting a lower rank. Enhancing totems will overwrite a dks horn of winter with SoE, but if you're dropping it on every pull, they shouldn't complain. If the dk had improved Icy Talons, but you had improved windfury totem, again the buff would be overwritten, but if you drop windfury every pull its a non-issue.
Again, mana spring
should
not overwrite BoW untalented with a ret pally in the group, so something else was happening the the druid's buff or the pallies hadn't trained in a long time.
Post by
Divisor
The buffs granted by the totems are replacing other buffs with the same effect because they are considered Auras. It's a check of duration, and an infinite duration (auras are considered to have infinite duration) will overwrite a timed buff.
Mana Spring Totem
(unimproved) can't overwrite
Blessing of Wisdom
(unimproved).
Windfury Totem
(unimproved), can't overwrite
Improved Icy Talons
. The improved (2/2) version will overwrite Improved Icy Talons because it has a longer duration (aura > 20 secs).
Strength of Earth Totem
will always overwrite
Horn of Winter
, regardless if it's improved or not. (aura > 2 mins).
Resistance totems will never overwrite the paladin resistance auras or hunter's Aspect of the Wild.
Flametongue Totem
will never overwrite anything, even if it's improved with Enhancing Totems 3/3.
Excepting the case (the OP did not mention) in which the chars were not level 80, you should pop all your totems, because they are better.
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Fulgurah
Everyone loves to point this out, which is fine, to make sure the facts are strait, but on the same note, when was the last time you saw a demo lock? I'm pretty sure they're a myth and don't really exist lol.
Many guilds, including my own, uses a Demo Lock because they are such a huge buff to the other casters in the raid at high gear levels. A competent Demo Lock will still do much less DPS than if they were Destro, but more than makes up for the 1-2k less they're doing by improving all casters' DPS. It's the reason our Arcane Mages absolutely decimate other people in the meters.
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