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Do i have to Obliterate? (frost dw dps)
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Post by
skumbananer
Do i really have to use that skill? With talents from unholy that boost my plague strike, and plague strike glyph my plague strike hits pretty hard (not as hard as obliterate though), and without using obliterate i get tons of rp for frost strikes.
Yeah i know that it can procc a free howling blast if talented, but it just seems so much more convenient skipping obliterates. Easier rotation, more rp (I think), more froststrikes, and if i mess up i dont have to wait so long since all attacks just cost one rune.
With a very simple rotation of icy touch - plague strike - blood strike repeat, i can use a simple castsequence macro, and dump rp with froststrike (can even macro that in) and keep a fairly high dps while basically mashing a single button (around 2,8-3k in mediocre gear), without looking for proccs.
I know that every good frost dps uses obliterate, watches for proccs etc. But im far from being that, and besides watching proccs i do until i cry on my main (arms/prot warrior).
Hmmm, dont know what i really want to say with this post, i really want a pat on the back and getting told "Im not bothering with Obliterate either" from a really skilled frost dps dk.
Is there any (more) viable speccs that only use 1 rune attacks in a procc free simple rotation?
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178943
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Post by
Davy32
Ok...seeing as I don't know all the maths to this, I'm going to give it to you simple, and let someone else do the explaining.
Obliterate is your number one damaging attack for a REASON. Thus, if you don't use Obliterate. You FAIL. Good day.
/end thread
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421511
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Post by
Eleazer
Ok...seeing as I don't know all the maths to this, I'm going to give it to you simple, and let someone else do the explaining.
Obliterate is your number one damaging attack for a REASON. Thus, if you don't use Obliterate. You FAIL. Good day.
Yeah, I agree with Raulnor here, but let me dumb it down even more, and ask a question to the OP. Can you get rid of obliterate (your number one dps attack with huge bumps in dps for each disease) for plague strike (the weakest attack out there without even a close second and has no modifiers based on disease applications)? The answer is yes you can.
Of course you can also run around in cloth healing gear and dps in that pulling 2k dps no problem. You could raid naked if you want as well and do 2k dps with just your weapon.
Also if you believe Frost Strike and Obliterate both use runic power than you are lost as a dk and should go back to spamming whirlwind as a warrior.
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317161
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Post by
Achloryn
Obliterate is your number one damaging attack for a REASON. Thus, if you don't use Obliterate. You FAIL. Good day.
oblit is never my #1 attack.. it's almost always frost strike, melee, then oblit for my recount. Almost never fails (unless i get a lot of rime/km procs, then HB can occasionally pull ahead, but not often)
now this makes me wonder, am *I* doing something wrong?
my gear is listed in my profiler, i've got the 3/53/15 build with IIT since i'm responsible for the haste buff and i occasionally have a little threat problems with the tank we run with. IT, OB, FS glyphed.
another question.. I can never find a good place to throw in UBA, since it throws off the rotation at one point or another. Do I just suck it up and leave out an oblit at some point?
Post by
Eleazer
@Achloryn
You aren't using Obliterate enough that's the simplest answer. Obliterate takes priority over everything except Disease application. You need to hit Oblit even if you have some runic power left if it becomes available. BS should be used only if everything else is used up. If FS is number one in your attacks than your problem is most likely three fold.
1. You have the wrong Sigil - Awareness or Virulence are the way to go.
2. FS is simply a filler to be used until Obliterate comes up instead of the other way around.
3. You are still using single disease - If this is the case than you are going down the wrong track.
On your profile it shows you specced into Morbidity as a dps? You do realize that frost never uses DnD as a dps manuever.
Drop - Morbidity put 3 points in BcB or Subversion. Take one point out of CotG and put it in UBA. Use Blood Tap to pop UBA at the beginning of the fight and every time it's up after that. It will cost you one FS (due to GCD usage) but increase your total damage in the long run.
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Achloryn
@Achloryn
You aren't using Obliterate enough that's the simplest answer. Obliterate takes priority over everything except Disease application. You need to hit Oblit even if you have some runic power left if it becomes available. BS should be used only if everything else is used up. If FS is number one in your attacks than your problem is most likely three fold.
1. You have the wrong Sigil - Awareness or Virulence are the way to go.
2. FS is simply a filler to be used until Obliterate comes up instead of the other way around.
3. You are still using single disease - If this is the case than you are going down the wrong track.
On your profile it shows you specced into Morbidity as a dps? You do realize that frost never uses DnD as a dps manuever.
Drop - Morbidity put 3 points in BcB or Subversion. Take one point out of CotG and put it in UBA. Use Blood Tap to pop UBA at the beginning of the fight and every time it's up after that. It will cost you one FS (due to GCD usage) but increase your total damage in the long run.
1 - I've got
sigil of the vengeful heart
, which would probably explain why FS is making up such a large portion of my damage.
2 - I did have that mixed up... Good to know. I always assumed "RP dump" meant "use up all of your RP". Thanks for clarifying that.
3 - No, i'm using two diseases. I didn't like frost much when they made KM on a PPM system so I stopped playing my dk as much for a while (before they created threat of thassarian). I wanted to be a DW DK, and they nerfed it into submission for a while, so I didn't like it. I think my sigil and my messed up priorities are the main reasons.
i was specced into morbidity but that was an error on my part I didn't even notice until last night.. i did correct it before making this post, but i guess armory didn't update just yet. I specced myself into subversion due to having an occasional aggro battle with my tank.
also, blood tap is something i honestly hadn't considered using before.. thanks for clarifying that as well.. it makes sense.
Thanks for the quick answer Eleazer
edit: updated. I tried the new ideas out on the training dummy and pulled my DPS up about ~350, and oblit moved into a very close 2nd on my damage list.. Something which would probably be corrected if I had one of the sigils you listed instead of my FS sigil.. Thanks again :D
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178943
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Post by
nerkel
The
Sigil of Awareness
is the very best sigil you can have as a Frost DW DK.
Sigil of Virulence
comes in a close second, but the longer the fight, the better Awareness is. Awareness is bought with Valor, Virulence with Triumph.
I could've sworn I've read alot of threads on Elitist Jerks that pug Virulence ahead of Awareness as BiS for almost all spec of DPS DK's.
Can you explain to me why Awareness is better? I'm slightly confused there.
Post by
Eleazer
Virulence is better for both Blood and Unholy, but in extended fights Awareness is a better sigil. The more Obliterates you have on a target the greater the dps increase by awareness over Virulence.
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