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DK Tanks and Demo Shout
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GenXCub
increasing spell hit by 3% (not very useful for PvE)
iLol'd
The lack of AP debuff only matters if you have an entire 25-man raid without a prot pally, bear druid, or any warrior. I'm sure you're not doing an all-DK raid.
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GenXCub
Tanks should be in charge of their own debuffs - you won't always have a co-tank to rely on.
I don't know if I buy that statement. Cat Druids LOVE arms warriors because they provide Trauma, preventing them from being the Manglebot and they can shred all they want.
Warlocks love unholy DK's and Moonkin because that means they don't have to waste their curse slot with CoE, since Ebon Plague and Earth and Moon gives the same effect from their normal rotations (they're not giving up anything to apply the debuff, as opposed to warlocks)
Blizzard wants raids to bring a mix of people so you can get the buffs you need, but it's not a huge deal if you don't have it.
They want classes to need each other, and they also don't want to make every class identical. Mages can't fear, most shamans can't break CC.. each class has its downfall. I'm sure paladins would love to have Vampiric Blood/Last Stand/Survival Instincts, but they don't. They're just different.
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frmorrison
I'm sure paladins would love to have Vampiric Blood/Last Stand/Survival Instincts, but they don't. They're just different.
Prot Paladins have something similar, that some consider better, the ability to cheat death once every 2 minutes.
Blizzard assumes a DK tank will have someone help Demo Shout the target.
Post by
Achloryn
that's like saying that all caster DPS should have an on-target debuff like misery or imp. faerie fire, just because we can all benefit from it.
Blizzard wants raids to bring a mix of people so you can get the buffs you need, but it's not a huge deal if you don't have it.
This is really putting it best. Do casters like having the misery or imp. faerie fire debuff on their target? of course (hell, DKs should too as it effects icy touch, death coil, howling blast, etc). Is it game-breaking if we don't have a shadow priest or boomie in the raid? Not really.
Is it gonna be helpful to have demo shout up? of course it will. Will it mean the difference between a wipe and a clear if demo shout isn't up? Well.. maybe, but if it does, then your gear needs work.
I'd also like to clarify something... you don't need imp. icy touch for the combat melee slow... plain ol'
frost fever
will do it, untalented.
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Achloryn
I'd also like to clarify something... you don't need imp. icy touch for the combat melee slow... plain ol'
frost fever
will do it, untalented.
You need the talent points to get the full 20%. Every DK tank should have those points alotted, 6% attack speed makes a huge difference.
i was about to make a point, but then i reread your original post and noticed that you -did- specify a 20% melee slow, so yep you're right.. my mistake :)
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