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Patty
Mine's pretty low at around 7%.
But to be honest, we get plenty from Talents to tide us over.
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Post by
karlusdavius
in an ideal world, we should have 20% haste and 40% crit UB. But thats ideal world.
Tier 9 has a lot of haste on it and the 4 set bonus is amazing. With tier 9 you should aim for around 15% haste and then stack crit.
My advice in terms of gems would be
Red - Reckless Ametrine, Potent Ametrine once at 15% haste.
Yellow - Luminous Ametrine
Blue - Personally, i would use LA in these unless not at haste cap. Int is our regen. If you have trinkets that give Mp5 then skip it and go for the potent ametrine.
Post by
Paolo
ive heard be around 30-33% crit raid buffed and then stack haste.
154 is the haste "soft cap." (See
this
.) That simply means that under normal 25-man raid buffs and with Borrowed Time up, your Flash Heal and GCD are capped at 1 second. More haste isn't necessarily wasted; it will always affect Penance, GH, and PoH, and anything else when BT isn't up. Haste just has heavily diminishing returns if BT has a high uptime, which it normally does (especially if you have the 4pc T8 bonus).
Ok, that said, I ran for a few days with a set that had 586 haste. Yes, it was super fun. But it's not a standard or optimal build by any means. My normal set has closer to 250 haste. A high haste set will have its uses...but it's very specialized. If you're running a GH-spam build with Improved Healing, for example, mega-haste would be phenomenal.
So responding to your comment I quoted above: I'd be more inclined to get haste to 5% then stack crit. It will be harder to close down haste at 5% since there's a lot more haste gear available, but it will be of much more overall benefit to your healing. With DA stacking, there's no shame in 40% crit or more.
Post by
SunlightTheory
I have about 11.56% haste,
.56% too much according to ElitistJerks.
I could get alot more but I started stacking crit as soon as I got 11%.
Post by
turkey
The haste cap is meaningless to me with current gear itemizations. Your main choices for gear look like one of the following:
(These are selected as examples, I'm well aware there are higher item level options available.)
Life-Binder's Locket
- the crit/mp5 piece
Watchful Eye of Fate
- haste/spi piece
Pendant of the Shallow Grave
- the crit/haste piece
Seeing that spirit/mp5 has proven to be absolutely worthless for me versus stacking int for regen, I opt for the crit/haste piece wherever I can. Haste might have
diminishing
returns past a certain point, but spirit/mp5 offers
no
returns whatsoever.
If the crit/haste pieces are not available to you for whatever reason, of course take the crit pieces first. At Ulduar levels though, dump all the spirit/mp5 you can and find ways to utilize all that haste.
Post by
turkey
Tier 9 has a lot of haste on it and the 4 set bonus is amazing. With tier 9 you should aim for around 15% haste and then stack crit.
I have to disagree with this. I suppose tier 8.5 spoiled me, but this new 4 piece bonus seems fairly weak, at least for disc. I won't be breaking my 4 piece 8.5 until i have at least 4 or 5 pieces of
9.5
(or whatever designation the heroic tier is getting).
As far as 9.5 having a lot of haste, it actually only has 13 more than 8.5, but what it does have is a lot of crit, improving 8.5's 117 crit to 248 crit on 9.5. The int jumps from 364 to 520 as well.
It's the spell power that is ridiculously disappointing. 8.5 had 552 sp, with a whopping 250 more from the 4 piece bonus, totaling 802. 9.5 only has 719 and a laughable (relative to 8.5) 10% DA buff.
Hence why I'm in very little hurry to replace my 8.5.
Post by
karlusdavius
The tier bonus for tier 9 is divine (pun intended) since divine aegis now gets another 10% added. However, im not sure how they are going to do it. is it another 10% of 30%? or a flat 10% more. Either way, with the crit ratings on gear going up, it will still have a massive impact and is the best 2 and 4 set bonuses for anyone Dual Spec'ed into holy and dic
Post by
turkey
Sorry karlus, even with higher crit, DA is still going to be a distant fourth or fifth in disc's overall effectiveness behind PW:S, FH, ProM, Penance, and PoH (on occasion). It's a nice proc that definitely helps smooth out damage spikes, but I'm not anticipating a "massive impact" from an additional 3-10% off a shield that's only 30% as strong as the main tools in our box.
I won't blink an eye when it comes time to break 9.5's four piece bonus.
Post by
karlusdavius
Sorry but your comparing DA mitigation to healing. Discipline is a tank heal by trade, so lets keep it to that topic for now. Mitigation wise, topping incoming damage is our biggest priority, having this bonus is an exceptional increase in mitigation for a tank. If you don't have it, i suggest getting the recount addon for discipline priests that takes into account PW:S and DA because my DA is almost always higher on tank healing that my PW:S is since PW:S has a 15 second CD on that target.
im getting 8k crit's on Flash Heal at the moment. 30% (2,400) is mitigation. having possibly 40% (3,200) which is 800 more mitigation is more than you think it is. It will allow us to hit that 10k DA cap easier and actually makes penance even better than it was before when it crit's (altho i still wish they would sort out their glyph selection)
Post by
Paolo
It would be hard to argue that the 4pc T9 bonus isn't a bonus...it's good for sure. But the question is: is the bonus better than what you could get by taking offset pieces like Merlin's Robe? To answer that question for real (and not just emotionally) we need to know whether the new DA bubbles will be 33% or 40% (big difference). Then do some real math to compare that additional mitigation to the increased throughput/mitigation we could get by taking those tasty offset pieces.
So, pending more information, everyone please breathe deeply. The T9 2-piece has been shown to be
better than you probably think
; the math hasn't been done on the 4-piece (AFAIK). Until someone does that math, we're all speculating.
Post by
turkey
I see now where you're coming from Karlus, but for me it's been a very long time since I was
just
a tank healer. PW:S has been 30-40% of my overall output for some time now, and that's been using it to assist the raid while I still keep the tank alive (without a holy pally in the raid, mind you). Also, I prefer using Wowmeteronline or World of Logs for my parses. RecountGuessedAbsorbs paints far too rosy a picture of my mitigation than those logs do.
Paolo: Interesting thread, but the op is making a fairly big assumption when he says ProM "accounts for 20% of a Discipline Priests total healing, could be higher or lower depending on how it’s used in a certain battle." Looking back at two months of logs, my ProM never topped 14% overall, and averages out to about 11-12%. But I do use a much broader playstyle than the standard "let me just heal the tank," so I'm sure my PW:S usage is pushing ProM's percentage down versus the op's.
All that said, the two piece bonus has always been attractive to me, but the four piece just isn't going to make an appreciable enough impact to make it worth pursuing or maintaining. If I can find alternative pieces with better stats to match my playstyle, I'll go for those and my effectiveness in the raid will be all the better for it.
Post by
karlusdavius
my effectiveness in the raid will be all the better for it.
where is the math to support this? you just don't know yet. It reallt does depend on 33% or 40%. Until then nobody can possibly say its not worth getting. For me, Divine Aegis is the pinnacle of a discipline priest. Any bonuses i get to that is worth much more than a mere 250 SP that can be obtained by just putting on 9.5.
I agree with P on this. We need to sit on the fence and wait for some theory craft to come through. And the only really offset piece i would take is the robe. and even then i would keep my 4 set B. then again i haven't much looked at off set pieces since iv'e been pre occupied with holy for a while now
Post by
turkey
For me, Divine Aegis is the pinnacle of a discipline priest.
That totally explains our difference of opinion. For me,
PW:S
is the pinnacle, by a long shot.
Post by
Paracetatrol
Woa, now looking at the tier 7 2-set bonus and the tier 9 2-set bonus.
Would this synergy be an upgrade opposed to 2 higher level items?
Post by
Paolo
It looks like an appealing synergy, but PoM isn't
that
important to warrant giving up all the benefits of the higher-level items. There was a short discussion of this topic on
PlusHeal
recently.
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