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Disc nerf going Holy for 3.2?
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148039
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Post by
ande9249
Hmmm, possible.. :P
Post by
maverikku
Ya were not mad about the Disc nerf because we think its crippeling. Were mad because of the principal of the matter. The fact that they did it AT ALL is what makes us mad. Blizz has not provided any justification for the nerf other then "disc mitigation is too much", something that no one in the real world can validate.
/facepalm
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Erethzium
Ya were not mad about the Disc nerf because we think its crippeling. Were mad because of the principal of the matter. The fact that they did it AT ALL is what makes us mad. Blizz has not provided any justification for the nerf other then "disc mitigation is too much", something that no one in the real world can validate.
1 - "Disc mitigation is too much" IS justification. What, do you expect Blizz to point out each and every situation where Disc would be overpowered?
2 - "No one in the real world can validate" O rly now? NOBODY can see that Disc is imbalanced, if it was? That makes a whole lot of sense.
3 - I find it funny that you use lots of "We" and "Us" in your post...
4 - "We're mad because of the principal of the matter" What is this? A protest?
And all this over two seconds extra cooldown on one spell. O NOEZ! I has to wait 2 more seconds to cast Penance! Disc is bad now!
Post by
Aldones
I think most people are mad at the "principle" because many people feel Blizz stole a major glyph from us. Our CD is going right back to what it was, but to accomplish this, we have to use up one of our glyphs. In all honesty though, that's 1-2 more FHeals we'll cast before Penance again, not a major change in any case.
People also are blowing PoH out of proportion imho. The changes will only reduce the healing per target by 450-900 (assuming you have 1500-3000 sp). Sure, it heals for less, but if it turns out to be detrimental and no one uses the spell anymore, Blizz will readjust and buff the spell back up.
And remember, none of these changes has taken effect yet, Blizz has been known to make last minute changes and not tell anyone about them.
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332701
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Post by
OscarDivine
Yeah, I'd have to say that this thread is a whole lot of "chicken little" sentiment. It isn't like they're removing penance all together or cutting our PoH by 75% or anything.
Today in Ulduar, I was doing PoH of almost 10k on players and topping them all off. Is it REALLY going to kill me if I don't top them off and the druid Wild Growth gets the rest of 'em? It just means a lot of overhealing will be negated for me.
I won't cry about it I promise. And neither should you guys.
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Erethzium
I think most people are mad at the "principle" because many people feel Blizz stole a major glyph from us. Our CD is going right back to what it was, but to accomplish this, we have to use up one of our glyphs. In all honesty though, that's 1-2 more FHeals we'll cast before Penance again, not a major change in any case.
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And remember, none of these changes has taken effect yet, Blizz has been known to make last minute changes and not tell anyone about them.
Exactly, for all we know, they could change the Penance glyph to something better like +5% crit or some other effect.
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Post by
PrimeSonic
1 - "Disc mitigation is too much" IS justification. What, do you expect Blizz to point out each and every situation where Disc would be overpowered?
2 - "No one in the real world can validate" O rly now? NOBODY can see that Disc is imbalanced, if it was? That makes a whole lot of sense.
3 - I find it funny that you use lots of "We" and "Us" in your post...
4 - "We're mad because of the principal of the matter" What is this? A protest?
And all this over two seconds extra cooldown on one spell. O NOEZ! I has to wait 2 more seconds to cast Penance! Disc is bad now!
1) Without an effective way to track mitigation and absorbs, something Bliz admitted to not having, who can say for sure it's too much? And how does raid-wide absorbs justify a single target nerf?
2) Are you talking about PvP? Cause in PvE Disc is just barely enough to get by when they don't outgear the encounter, sometimes they aren't enough and tanks will get gibbed in the time Penance is on cooldown.
3) Go to the Bliz Healing forums and you will see a storm of priests up in arms against this change, with tons of support for their claims. I have yet to see a single priest there agree with the changes.
4)
Penance 3.0: 8 second cooldown
Penance 3.1 + Glyph: 6.4 second cooldown
Penance 3.2 + Glyph: 8 second cooldown
So we get the same spell as before but we need a glyph to make it like it used to be....and that seems right to you?
(I'll count that last trollish remark as 5)
5) Go to Ulduar in appropriate gear and see what it feels like trying to keep a tank alive. Our spamable heals are weak compared to the spamable heals of other tank healing classes/specs to the point where Penance barely compensates for our lack of through put.
Penance will never be used as a situational spell unless we can viably heal without it and so far that isn't happening.
Okay, I fed the troll. Do I get a cookie?
Post by
karlusdavius
Okay, I fed the troll. Do I get a cookie?
Karlusdavius say's NO, not going to happen!
Blizz has not provided any justification for the nerf
Im struggling to find it, however there is a blue post by ghostcrawler that stats why this penance change is happening. However, if you had cared to read the rest of the topics on this penance change you would have seen why they are doing it.
In response to
(Disclaimer: I do not support Arena's, so if that is your angle then I dont care. All arguments are based on PvE aspects.)
This penance change is PVP ORIENTATED. meaning, a 6.4 second CD on penance was way to over powered in Arena's. This is why they are upping the CD on it. I will try and find that blue post later. If i were you, id start to support them, because no matter what, they balance around both PvE and PvP. Pushing one away is a bad idea.
In all fairness, i'm fine with the change. If you want to re roll because one thing has happened then im afraid im going have to say L2P. Just stop moaning about it. Changes happen for balance. Sometime they are wrong, sometimes they arn't. This is a right one. However i do feel sad that were loosing a glyph slot over it. Why up the CD when you can just change the glyph? 10% crt? thank you very much.
A CD increase is hardly game changing. Im hitting 43% odd crit levels in pve now with 6.5k crits on Flash Heals (8k with pandora's plea up) and 5k Penance tick crits ( 6.5k with pandora's plea up). I have no problems with mana. I have no problems in spamming heals in time of need and recovering afterward. Its a playstyle change. Learn to live with it. If not re roll and don't hassle us with pathetic threads like this. Most of us really don't want to know if your re rolling becuase you can't factor in another flash heal.
Karlusdavius plays the world's smallest violin
Edit:
There are hundreds of responses on WoW Forums that show agrreance with this.
Where? might just be me but on the official EU wow forums (priest and healing) the 1st page shows nothing at all to do with penance changes. surely with hundreds of responses there would be evidence of this as a hot topic?
Post by
PrimeSonic
Changes happen for balance. Sometime they are wrong, sometimes they arn't. This is a right one.
No. This one is anything but right. To support that claim, I ask that you read further on.
Where? might just be me but on the official EU wow forums (priest and healing) the 1st page shows nothing at all to do with penance changes. surely with hundreds of responses there would be evidence of this as a hot topic?
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17900021503&sid=1
Enjoy. And that's just one of the threads. After you get through the now 43 pages worth, you'll understand what's really going on here.
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Post by
karlusdavius
come now primar, i know exactly whats happening here. But maybe you should go back and look at the, now 43 pages of the argument and notice a lovely lack of blue posts. and even on those two posts, the complete lack of understanding.
It seems thats all this arguing is going on over at the US forums, which is annoying as i can't post there! I don't like the fact that we are know forced into a situation where we only have 2 glyph slots. and tbh, one of those is needed in order for us to have our absorbs "guessed". So do we only have one? I have 26k mana Buffed now and decided away from Flash Heal Glyph, i just dont need it. But our other glyph choices are wank as well.
All the QQ here won't make a difference. So i stand by my point. If your going to switch to holy because of 2 additional seconds, your not worth your salt as a Discipline priest. That is all the argument boils down too. The glyph was mandatory anyway. your cant get more mandatory that mandatory. Go holy, but do it quietly please?
I will post something up linking to this topic on the Eu forums. try to at least put more pressure on them. but there are hardly hundreds of posts out there. I would even argue against hundreds of people.
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