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Dailies as Holy - Is this really it?
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Post by
Arannia
TL;DR: Doing Dailies as a Holy Paladin in WoTLK is really slow. Help!
Long-ish:
I've been Holy since early TBC. I remember doing dailies in TBC using some spell damage gear and my shockadin build.. they were fun. And quite quick.
Fast forward to WoTLK, and I've decided to start doing daily quests in an effort to finally get my epic mount, and get to the Crusader title for the snazzy Argent Crusader Tabard and..
..Holy is -really- slow now. Even in my healing gear in TBC I still did more overall DPS while questing than I do now.
It takes me a full 12-13 seconds to kill a mob with 15k~ health (just over 1,1k DPS, about .1k DPS more than I did as a Shockadin at the end of TBC.) And I'm fully ilevel +219 geared. :(
Is it like this for all healers? Respeccing isnt an option, I dont like ret (or prot, if that would be faster), and I never anticipated such an issue arrising.
Almost makes me regret rolling a Holy Paladin, when I could have rolled a Priest/Druid/Shaman and merely respecced to the Spell DPS tree of the relevant classes and get a notable DPS increase while still in my healing gear. But Holydin is.. SLOW now.
Am I doing somethin wrong? I prioritise Holy Shock.. Exorcism.. Seal of Righteousness, etc.
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Post by
Arannia
Holy pallys have some of the most gimped damage for a healer in the game.
To be honest, you're going to have to live with this unless you spec ret. Buy dual-spec :). Even if it's not your favorite spec, you only have to use it during dailies.
I have it..
My dualspec is Prot healer PvP >_<
I dont have any ret gear.. bah. This sucks. :(
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Post by
Squishalot
Open with Hand of Reckoning, Holy Shock, Judgement, Exo, Holy Shock - that should take out most level 80 mobs, possibly needing to wait for the second Judgement. Max 10 seconds?
Use Seal of Righteousness for maximum Judgement damage, rather than SoV/SoC.
Sorry, reread OP,
Post by
Raleandris
Don't forget you have Shield of Righteousness too. It doesn't hit nearly as hard as a Prot's, but it still goes a long way to helping out soloing. Questing through Storm Peaks on my 79 (almost 80) Holy Paladin to unlock the Sons dailies, and it's really not that terrible at all. Pull with Hand of Reckoning (2k crit from taunts ftw), Exorcism as the mob closes in, Judgement, Holy Shock, SoR etc.
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Post by
Squishalot
So in summary:
Pull: Hand of Reckoning
1.5: Exorcism
3: Holy Shock
4.5: Judgement
6: Shield of Righteousness
8: Holy Shock (assuming glyphed?)
I'd be surprised if that, with melee, wouldn't kill a L80 mob?
Post by
Arannia
Pull: Hand of Reckoning (does about 300~ damage)
1.5: Exorcism (1500 damage~)
3: Holy Shock (3500~ damage)
4.5: Judgement (1500~ damage)
6: Shield of Righteousness (1000~ damage)
8: Holy Shock (3500~ damage)
It doesnt unless I get lucky with crits. And.. I'm not going to change a glyph to do dailies, GoHS is rubbish for healing. :(
Levelling a shaman instead. Level 15 already.
Post by
Squishalot
The average L80 mob has 12k health. I'm not sure who you're pulling?
You've listed 11300 damage there. All you need is 700 from melee and Seal of Righteousness in the 5 seconds that they're in melee range for an 'average' mob. Alternatively, all you need is one crit, and as a holy pally, you'll have plenty of crit.
Swap Holy Shock and Exo to get faster uptime on your HS then. You've probably got enough haste to get Exo out before they close to melee. Sorry for assuming GoHS - not a healer =)
Edit: If your dual spec is a Prot-healer, then go get yourself some crafted Prot/Ret blues, and that'll be more than sufficient to go daily hunting. You can get a lot of single target burst out of Prot with Ret gear, or alternatively, you'll be able to take on 5-10 mobs at a time in your Prot gear. No need to respec (assuming you've got a lot of the survival talents), just to regear when you need to run your dailies.
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Post by
Arannia
at a cost of 2k gold, u can do moar pew pew..
1k gold for dual specs
another 1k gold for whatever u wanna buy on AH.
Which is all completely unnecessary, or would be if Blizzard had a brain and gave Holy Paladins equal damage to all other healing classes. >_<!
Long post ahead!:
I dont have that much gold anyway. Wish I had. I don't. Never have had that much.
I shall just level my shaman, and forget about my Paladin. Maybe. I don't know. I'm a little depressed and confused about the entire ordeal. More than I ought to be. I hadnt intended to spend any money. I -want to daily as Holy- if I'm going to do them as a Paladin. I cant just grin and bare it as Prot or Ret.. because they both bore the absolute nuts out of me. Ret and Prot just dont have that.. "Hybrid Spellcaster" feel about them. Ret is too "warrior-ish" for me. Prot is.. boring. I rolled a Paladin. Not a Warrior-wannabe. :P Sorry, dont mean to offend anyone. But Prot and Ret are just no fun for me, they lack what I want in a class. AoEing... Maybe. I dunno.
I gotta do what is fun. From a neutral point of view, rerolling as a new class instead of just respeccing is reckless and stupid. But possibly worth it in the long run if I have more fun in the end. If I don't, its just going to be a massive waste of time.
Its not like I didnt know what i was getting into. When I rolled a Holy Paladin.. they could do dailies. Easily. And it was fun for me.
Then WoTLK.. bleh.
Has anyone else ever had this kind of connundrum? I love my Paladin. But if I cant even be self-sufficient and efficiently do dailies and the like, and earn my epic mount and such the way I -want- to play within the confines of the paladin class, is rerolling a bad idea?
Just feels like I've put a TON of work and effort into my Paladin (Remember, she's like full 219+ geared now), to come this far and then realize that I'm basically crippled when it comes to solo content, and if I had rolled a different class from day 1, this would have never happened.
Sorry, I'm rambling. Bleh. Yeah, probably QQing a bit too.
The average L80 mob has 12k health. I'm not sure who you're pulling?
You've listed 11300 damage there. All you need is 700 from melee and Seal of Righteousness in the 5 seconds that they're in melee range for an 'average' mob. Alternatively, all you need is one crit, and as a holy pally, you'll have plenty of crit.
Swap Holy Shock and Exo to get faster uptime on your HS then. You've probably got enough haste to get Exo out before they close to melee. Sorry for assuming GoHS - not a healer =)
(Ignoring the part about Prot as I've answered that above, pretty much.)
The mobs I've come across have had about 15k health.. mostly the ones in Icecrown.
Even if mobs did have 12k health, I've stated above I do about 1100 DPS. Is 11~ seconds really an acceptable amount of time to down a single mob? I've seen some classes one to two shot some mobs (DPS classes admittedly), and though I dont expect to be able to do that as a healer, 6-7 shotting a mob is ridiculous.
Post by
Squishalot
Yeah, I know what you mean. For the record, Corrupted Heroes (quest target for an Argent Tournament quest) have 12600 health, which is what I'm using as my baseline. I haven't really paid much attention, it's still relatively fast as Prot or Ret (my two dual specs, Ret only so I could gear up my Prot, rather than having any real interest in it).
Maybe it's because I levelled up near the end of BC and hit Outlands at the start of WotLK, but I tried levelling as Holy, and I absolutely hated it - it was slow, it was tedious, and it was boring needing to heal myself constantly to get through short fights. So I'm not sure how things have changed since when you were levelling, but I've never seen Holy as a spec that could solo easily?
I know what you mean about rolling a Paladin, not the lovechild of a Warrior and a Priest. But really, that's what we are. We are a hybrid class, but we're not a spellcasting class, and to the best of my knowledge, we never really have been.
Fair go if you want to switch to a Shaman, so you can dual-spec into Elemental for dailies. But to me, it seems like a bit of a waste. No class or spec can be suited for all occasions. Pure DPS will have more troubles dealing with multiple mobs (shame on Blizz for making 'group' quests so soloable!), healing hybrids like Paladins and Priests will have more trouble with solo'ing. That's just the way it is. If you enjoy playing a certain way, then play it, and deal with the inefficiencies. Running off to another class just seems like you're running away from the problem. You rolled a Paladin, you didn't roll a Shaman, and doing dailies on your Shaman and gearing it up isn't going to be as satisfying, because it's not what you really wanted to be.
I never wanted to be anything other than a Prot Paladin. I dual spec'd Ret purely for the purposes of making my Prot spec better, so I could get a foot in the door. Running Prot meant that dailies were a pain early on - 1.2k single target DPS is still 1.2k, whether you're Holy or Prot. But just like in real life, you either suck it up, or you do the hard yards doing something you don't like, so that you can enjoy the fruits of your labour later.
You're talking about changing jobs, because you don't like some of the work you're doing, even though you love the rest. It doesn't make sense to me.
Edit: Swap out your spellpower weapon for a DPS weapon while you're doing dailies? That might speed things up a little...
Post by
00bender00
What you need to be doing is not finding that one mob, but tagging it and then finding the next, and the next, and the next. Keep them on you with consecration as you run from one to another, throw up either Ret aura for more AOE damage or Concentration aura to make healing easier, though, and I stress this: If you have sacred shield up and you know how to use holy shock to heal yourself, that should be enough, so you should go Ret aura for the damage.
You have to remember, whether you like it or not, paladins are the AOE kings as far as healing classes go.
So true. Sacred shield and the occasional holy shock / fol is more then enough to keep you topped while pulling 6-7 mobs on you and then do 5k dps with consecration alone.
Being a plate wearer with aoe spells has its advantages, use them.
Post by
Ruze
How sad, you dont burst 15k dps as healer.
Get real, holy paladins are made for healing not dpsing. Try doeing dailys on a resto druid without respeccing.
Post by
Arannia
How sad, you dont burst 15k dps as healer.
Get real, holy paladins are made for healing not dpsing. Try doeing dailys on a resto druid without respeccing.
My problem is that the druid CAN respec. Without needing an entire set of gear, and do reasonably high DPS in their healing gear.
As a holy paladin, I dont have an alternative without changing my gear.
(Yes, I know he was a troll.)
Post by
00bender00
As a holy paladin, I dont have an alternative without changing my gear.
False:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sVA0xh0sVzZZVfdxbIzhdIo:Ta0
Maybe it wont turn you in a boomkin, but that spec can do some very very nice burst assuming you have a spellpower offset outside your INT one.
Decent Judgement crit damage, instant Exo, 5 sec cd holy shock, good SoR auto attack damage.
Capable of 2.4k dps or so (sustained) on a 80 dummy iirc from PTR, and NEVER, EVER oom.
Sure, nothing amazing: but try it, its fun as hell to solo.
Edit: works at its best with a block value on judgement libram :)
Post by
Squishalot
*cough* Arannia wrote the guide we have on Shockadins...
But bender does have a good point. If you're happy wasting your dual-spec to Elemental or Boomkin, why not dual spec to Shockadin, rather than Prot-healing? Now that Exorcism is allowed against players again, it might be more viable in PvP (which is where I assume you're prot-healing) than at 3.11?
Post by
Arannia
Yep. Gonna forget about Prot holy and respec my dualspec to Shockadin, try it out.
Thanks.
Dunno why it didnt occur to me before. Guess I was afraid it wouldnt be viable in PvP (well.. battlegrounds. I've all but given up on Arena. Go go rated BGs!) so I specced Prot Holy but.. to hell with viability! I rolled a Holy Paladin in TBC damn it, I didn't care about viability then and I dont now! :P
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