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Corruption on Wowhead (imo)
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Post by
Vlad
Just something that caught my eye:
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=2817
- Miyari says "WOOF, WOOF!™" (comment has 35 rating)
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=2816
- Adys says "WOOF, WOOF!™" (comment has 15 rating)
First of all, it's not funny. Second Miyari and Adys posted that comment on the same day (one ripped of the other?) and posted the exact same one on either the Teach Bark of Doom or Bark of Doom (unsure of order but it doesn't matter, someone ripped of the other).
Then I thought like, it's not funny but still they got tons of rating on it... how and why? No one commented, just +rating like that. When I try to be funny (at least I try to write more than 2 words as a joke) or anyone else.. we get our comment rated down in seconds! And it ends up deleted within a week, just because we are ranked "Users" and not Admins, Mods or what ever. I think there is a corruption going on (like mods rating each other to get big ass rep and look good).
When I looked trough their profiles I noticed that
a lot
of the pictures repeat themselves, like 1 picture, posted AND pinned on several similar spells giving extra reputation to the person. Since he is a mod he can just accept his own pictures, making him able to farm his rep just like that. Copy pasting one picture into 5 and gaining crap loads of rep for that. Now I have probably submitted like 30 pictures, or 40 but none came trough! Even though I submit a picture for something that doesn't have any picture I haven't seen it being pinned.
It's really sad to see that higher ranked people get to act so freely, pin their topics, get a lot of rating and all fan boys "Users" are spamming rating on their comments because they got a higher rank than them... it's plain corruption and I don't like it one bit! I like the website Wowhead but the management could be better and more fair, seriously.
I hope someone cares, I think it's important to have a corrupt free community where people are equal... :/
Now there are many other situations witch had brought my attention to them but I ignored them thinking it was probably a coincidence, but now when I also noticed this it made the water boil over.
Most likely no one will care, and some might say "fu you are overreacting" or telling me to screw myself for being wrong and saying things that should not be posted, but I think it's important to state what you think. I posted this thinking about the screenies I had made and gathered, that went to waste kinda (with no reply why and no feedback at all, just like that... flushed). Anyway I might have been too tired now and written some gibberish but I tried my best to write the topic in a way it would make sense.
- Have a nice evening ladies and gentlemen.
Post by
Miyari
It seems you have missed the memo on the reputation bar being removed. Since you are so concerned with the actions of administrators and moderators, it would probably behoove you to notice such current activities.
Speaking for myself, I can see where you're coming from. Sorta. Maybe. Except that this isn't a system built off favoritism and elitism and whoever has the most reputation wins. In fact, that sort of mentality was one of the reasons the reputation was done away with in the first place - something I was 100% for, even despite my own. People grew far less concerned with quality and content and grew aggressive when their comments were downranked or deleted. I'm really sorry to see that any user would feel that we would ever make decisions on comments without the best interests of the site in mind.
As far as the screenshot situation goes, speaking for myself - hi, I take screenshots. Never once have I cared about reputation or any such gains, it's just something I enjoy doing. Hence my placement in the
contest
. Are there spell screenshots which exist for multiple ranks of the same spell? Well, yeah. Did those count toward uniques? No. But why submit a screenshot for one rank of a spell and not the other? Did I care about my reputation from doing such? No. Did I approve my own screenshots? No, I wasn't even a moderator at the time. Perhaps rather than taking such an aggressive attitude towards the whole screenshot submission process it would be better to ask why your screenshots are getting deleted or not approved rather than just assuming bias and corruption in the Wowhead empire? We have a pretty active team of screenshot artists, I'm sure you'd get tons of
tips and tricks
in no time.
And as for the comment thing, we do favor
humor
here on Wowhead. Don't forget that users moderate comments too, and with anything other than a fact you do run the risk of someone not agreeing, or simply finding a comment not funny. Moderators are not out for the malicious thrill of downranking every comment made on the site, to be honest it can be pretty damn tedious - you really have no idea. Good comments are the sprinkles that make the Wowhead cupcakes of info taste even better, and I know I love me some sprinkles.
Also, Adys copied my post. :)
Post by
20820
I'm really sorry you don't like Miyari's or my barkings. Useless ridiculous spells get their own useless ridiculous comments, feel free to rate them down.
I also find sad so many users get bothered about reputation. People got bothered over that, fine, we removed the bar. People
still
get worried about it? I guess we'll remove the rest aswell.
Also, moderators cannot approve screenshots since this is done through the administrator control panel. Bureaucrat rank is a pseudo administrator rank and I was its only member until last week. I rarely sent screenshots myself since I'm bureaucrat, and Miyari has been promoted a week ago.
Spell screenshots for multiple ranks were on specific request, and we're far from the only ones doing this. Have a look at
Norrec's Profile
. He's not a moderator you know!
I could keep on writing but I rather not. Just as a last note: there is no corruption anywhere. We (Wowhead staff) don't act freely or anything, we care about the website and doing that would just taint it. If I wanted my own exalted reputation bar, I'd just go and make one on my own website or something.
Don't take this as an official Wowhead answer, take it as my own answer. I find your post quite biased by this whole reputation thing. But fine, as I said if the only solution is to remove it entirely we will.
Post by
Malgayne
Miyari and Adys both speak on their own, separately from the official opinions of the site. But regardless, the sentiments are pretty accurate. The moderators here have ratings which are worth more than the average user, because they're people we trust to rate up good comments and rate down bad ones. But that having been said, even if the entire moderator team rates a comment up, Wowhead gets over 400,000 individual users a day. If you really feel that a comment is in appropriate, rate it down--if it is appropriate, rate it up. The vast majority of comment ratings are done by the users.
The only reason to rate a comment up or down is because you think it makes the site a better or worse place to browse. There are not, nor will there ever be, any rewards for having a high reputation.
Post by
Vlad
I guess I was a bit too tired yesterday when I wrote this. I wasn't really attacking anyone, my primary concern was actually about what happened to my screenshots but then it kinda took off when I remembered some things or two... Miyari and Adys, I don't have anything against you guys because I know that people have fun from time to time, loosen up a bit so it's not really that big of a thing. Just that I noticed some others doing similar things that's kinda not so fun, but I see the thing about the rating, making many post a lot of things just to get the +rating on the profile reputation bar. It was kinda nice to get some long feedbacks too, didn't expect it.
About the screenshot tips part, yeah the thing is that I had read that hints article and tried my best to do the screenies, that is kinda why I got a bit sad when nothing got trough. Anyway I will still continue to try to make Wowhead better by posting useful comments and trying yet again to make some wicked screenshots of different things, maybe I get some better luck now. :P
I hope no one is cranky at anyone here, at least it wasn't my intention to gain enemies but just to tell how I felt. Now I don't think like that, I guess a good night sleep and your comments helped me calm down a bit and think more positive. Kinda strange because never really speak negative about anything, I guess the internet anonymity is a dangerous thing...
Btw, I live at GMT+1 and looking at your post times.. you never sleep, do you guys? :P
Post by
Miyari
Btw, I live at GMT+1 and looking at your post times.. you never sleep, do you guys? :P
No.
Post by
20820
Btw, I live at GMT+1 and looking at your post times.. you never sleep, do you guys? :P
Depends what you call "sleep".
Post by
Vlad
Thought so...
Post by
Skyfire
Thought so...
There is only waiting.
Post by
pelf
Thought so...
There is only waiting.
Like Chuck, right?
Post by
Malgayne
I'm the only one here who sleeps, and I get in trouble for it. ;)
No offense taken. If you have specific questions about specific screenshots, feel free to join us in the
IRC Channel
. Adys, Miyari and I are frequently hanging out in there, and both of them are very opinionated--I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you exactly why your screenshots weren't accepted, and how you can best improve them. ;)
Post by
6893
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
rayford
feel free to join us in the
IRC Channel
. Adys, Miyari and I are frequently hanging out in there, and both of them are very opinionated--I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you exactly why your screenshots weren't accepted, and how you can best improve them. ;)
Hi. I'm in the IRC channel too, Mal. About as much as you are. Thanks. : P
Most of our mod/admin team is on IRC. So if you've got a specific question, feel free to join us. We really are a friendly bunch, and we'd be happy to make up answers to any questions you may have. ( :
Post by
Skyfire
feel free to join us in the
IRC Channel
. Adys, Miyari and I are frequently hanging out in there, and both of them are very opinionated--I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you exactly why your screenshots weren't accepted, and how you can best improve them. ;)
Hi. I'm in the IRC channel too, Mal. About as much as you are. Thanks. : P
Most of our mod/admin team is on IRC. So if you've got a specific question, feel free to join us. We really are a friendly bunch, and we'd be happy to
make up
answers to any questions you may have. ( :
Bolded for emphasis. ;)
Post by
Malgayne
Yes, but only Adys and Miyari can approve screenshots. ;)
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