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Post by
Rankkor
this raises a couple of questions for me.
and is about timelines.
let me elaborate.
the timeline for this game was:
clasic-wow(AKA 3-4 years ago) in this timeline is where all players start, they battle the old god c'tchun, ragnaros, nefarian, onyxia, and the other bad guys, in the end, they vanquish the necropolis Naxxramass and azeroth is saved.
Burning Crusade timeline:(AKA 2-3 years ago), doom lord kazzak opened the dark portal, mortal races got inside, the alliance reunited with their lost brothers who came inside on the second war, the orcs reunited with their mag'har brothers, the draenei reunited with their broken cousins, and the blood-elves got boned by kael and his lie about "paradise".
in the end, the mortal races vanquished outland of the villians that plaged it, destroyed tempest keep, cleansed the serpentsrhine, cleared the black temple, destroyed the tyranical leader of the ogres, and put an end to the fel orc corruption by slaying mannoroth, at the climax of the expantion, when kael prepared to unleash apocalipse on azeroth by summoning Kil'jaeden, he was stoped, the summoning prevented, azeroth was saved from the thrid comming of the legion.
Wrath of the lich king timeline (1 year ago, till the present day): mortal races decided that arthas and the scourge had to be stopped, and they ventured to northrend to put an end to him, this after arthas did a 3-way attack on stormwind, ogrimar, and the Scarlet Enclave.
a 3-way attack that was repelled on all fronts of course.
all this blah-blah had to be written to set the basis of my main and principal question:
they specifically stated taht the cataclysm won't be a phased event, new and old players alike WILL experience the cataclysm, regardless if u got the expantion or not (only the owners of the expantion will get to use the new races, or go to the new zones)
so, what happens to new DK players? what happens when someone wanna create a new DK goblin or worgen? the events at the scarlet enclave happen BEFORE the cataclysm.
what happens to new players? they start at the cataclysm timeline, only to travel to outland wich is based 3 years ago, and then to travel to northrend wich is based 1 year ago, and then get back to azeroth wich is again based on today:
so U start in the present, travel to the past, only to get back to the present again?
do they plan to change what happens in outland and northrend? (I mean, how can new players do epic quests like "Hero of the mag'har", or "battle for the undercity"? those take place BEFORE the cataclysm, were the horde still has thrall as their leader.
this is messed up plp
let me give you an example:
you make a worgen Death Knight, you start at the scarlet enclave, at the service of the scourge....... hold on.......... the events of the scarlet enclave happened BEFORE the cataclysm......... and the worgen joined the alliance AFTER the cataclysm (a time in wich suposedly the lich king has been killed, we don't know yet since his fate in patch 3.3.0 is yet to be determined).
TIME PARADOX ALERT! TIME PARADOX ALERT, a past event, and a future event converging together.
example 2, you are in northrend, you do the wrathgate quest-chain, at that point you get sent to the undercity to reclaim it for the horde.......... hold on, that happened BEFORE the cataclysm, today's modern undercity will be diferent.......
example 3: varimathras IS killed in WOTLK (wich is set 1-2 years before the cataclysm) so then, how will new players see him?
cataclysm is based after WOTLK, wich means it's based after varimathras is dead.......
TIME PARADOX ALERT.......
(nozdormu must be cursing blizzard rite about naw)
(edit: at patty132471: fixed it, my bad)
Post by
Patty
Please don't call the Lich King "Arthas" on this board hehe. ;)
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Post by
Adamsm
As for the DK thing.... There zone is already phased, there won't be a lick of difference.
Also: Kael was only summoning Kil'jaeden so he could figure out a way to replace him and make him into a giant mana battery, after his plan to consume all the magic in Netherstorm and move Tempest Keep above Silvermoon failed.
3rd and Again: It's all phased, I have a guild mate who quit the battle for the Undercity quest while in the phased Trisfal, ever since then, he can go anywhere and not get attacked as there is no one anywhere for him.
Post by
Rankkor
As for the DK thing.... There zone is already phased, there won't be a lick of difference.
Also: Kael was only summoning Kil'jaeden so he could figure out a way to replace him and make him into a giant mana battery, after his plan to consume all the magic in Netherstorm and move Tempest Keep above Silvermoon failed.
3rd and Again: It's all phased, I have a guild mate who quit the battle for the Undercity quest while in the phased Trisfal, ever since then, he can go anywhere and not get attacked as there is no one anywhere for him.
u're not catching my drift.
Player "bob" makes a brand new undead toon, this undead toon starts on the "cataclysm" timeline (a timeline in wich varimatrhas is already dead) he goes to undercity, sees varimathras alive, everntually "bob" gts to lvl 72, does the whole wrathgate chain, travels to the past and kills varimathras and now he's dead in the present?
cataclysm happens AFTER the battle for the undercity.
if it takes place AFTER the battle, then the logic course of reason would be that varimathras is dead already, after all, again cataclysm is based after.
but u go to northrend, and do the chain, and woops varimathras is alive again, only to be killed again......
Like I said, nozdormu must be cursing blizzard for messing up his timelines.
what I try to issue here, is not "how" this can be done (phasing is the answer) the issue is how can past, present, and future events merge like that? u start in your lvl 1-58 on the present, but everything u do from 58-68 is set on the past, and everything u make from 68-78 is on the past, and then everything else from 68-85 is on the present again..............
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Post by
Rankkor
the cataclysm doesn't happen during the scourge war effort, that expantion aint gonna come out for at least 1 or 2 more years (kalimdor and the eastern kingdoms are larger than even outland and northrend put together, if it took the devs so long to develop those, imagine revamping the old world, AND adding new zones to boot)
so, this game is gonna come out in 1 or 2 years, by then the scourge war effort will be OVER, the lich king dead (or defeated, we don't know yet what will happen in IC, and that's not the topic of this thread) and azeroth saved.
this raises the question of what's gonna happen to the timelines, I mean, how can worgen and goblin participate on the argent tournament?
furthermore, outland is another planet, we can be sure it wont' be hit by the cataclysm, but northrend IS a part of azeroth.
if kalimdor and eastern kingdoms get hit by the cataclysm, then......... will northrend too be hit? how's it gonna be like if that happens?
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Post by
Adamsm
It's Blizzard though, they want to get Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 out, so late 2010 early 2011 for a release date more then likely.
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Post by
Rankkor
It's Blizzard though, they want to get Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 out, so late 2010 early 2011 for a release date more then likely.
not really, diablo 3 and starcraft 2 are being developed by diferent teams.
the US branch of blizzard is devoted 100% to world of warcraft.
to continue developing diablo and starcraft they made Blizzard north (for diablo) and blizzard korea (for starcraft).
even so, some members of wow's team went to those new blizz branches (like tygole) to ensure that those games bear the quality of blizzard games.
now what we need is yet another team to develop Warcraft IV and we're set.
getting back to topic, after cataclysm is released, if you make a new toon, that toon will start in the post-cataclysm timeline, and level to 58 via brand new quests, but.... after 58 u have to step into outland, and in outland the timeline is set several years before the cataclysm, after hitting 68 u gotta go to northrend, wich is yet again set a few years before the cataclysm.
I'd love to see how blizz will explain that.
not to mention the DK worgen and goblin.
we all know that by the time of the battle for the scarlet enclave, goblins and worgen didn't belong to the alliance or horde, magically having them now, will make no sence.
Post by
Adamsm
Actually, once it drops, it affects everyone, they've said that a few times, if you get the Expansion, you can go into the new zones/raids/dungeons/races.
Also, I meant, Blizz is doing a "One title per year" thing, so Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 need to come out next, with Cataclysm having a possible (according to gamespot/amazon.com) release of Nov 2010.
Post by
Arkham
the US branch of blizzard is devoted 100% to world of warcraft.
to continue developing diablo and starcraft they made Blizzard north (for diablo) and blizzard korea (for starcraft).Are you serious, or making a joke? If you're joking I can't tell...
Just in case you're not: Blizzard North was closed down quite a while ago, and Diablo 3 is being made at the regular Blizzard campus in Irvine. There is no "Blizzard Korea."
There is a division of Blizzard in Texas, but they don't do development over there, they mostly have WoW GMs and stuff employed over there. You're right that each game is being worked on by separate teams, but they're all located in the Irvine building.
Post by
Rankkor
for real? I could had sworn that when starcraft 2 was announced they said it was being developed in korea, and since blizz north developed diablo 2 and it's expantion, I assumed they were the ones behind diablo III
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Post by
Adamsm
And seeing how in the trailer itself they say "The Scourge hasn't been dealt with yet" more then likely in the actual warcraft timeline it's suppose to happen just after Ulduar and the Tourney, but before the final assault on Icecrown.
As for the other stuff, the timeline in the warcraft universe is screwed up anyways, espically after the War of the Ancients.
Post by
Zenanor
This problem has always been there. Ragnaros was downed more than once right?
We have leveled our DK's thru classic and BC where some of them has downed the bosses ( Ragnaros, Prince)
The only relatively new thing is that the zones have been changed.
Now a brain candy tme-paradox.
The year is 3000 and the time machine has been invited, there was only enough resources to make one.
year 3005 the world find out that inventing the time nachine was a bad idea and sends you back till year 3000 to destroy it.
year 3000 you destroy the timemachine.
Is it possible?
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah we have downed Ragnaros but how do you kill the Lord of Fire? Isn't that like a Phoenix, no matter how many times you kill one, it can keep regenerating?
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