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260787
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Post by
Squishalot
Labor itself could also be cataloged and distributed.
Do you mean that people recieve different rations based on the amount/difficulty of their labour?
Everyone could be given a rating. Reports from their bosses, education level, job difficulty, that works as a multiplier on their ration. Also the actual people could be distributed to the work needed to be done. If the software needed more milk produced, for increase in demand for egg nog, it could distribute more laborers to farms... etc...
But then you're moving back to a capitalist society. I wasn't aware that there should be any differences in equity in a communist society?
People should be assigned various tasks, and be rewarded with their share of the national pie. If they get ahead, then they should get a pat on the back for helping the country out. If they fall behind, they should get whipped and reminded that their brothers and sisters are having to pick up the slack.
To reward someone for producing more is capitalism at its core.
Post by
Deepthought
Maybe it's where you live, I don't know. In westernized culture (really doesn't make much sense tbh, we have no culture anymore), everything is about yourself. You grow up learning that you are on your own; it's a dog-eat-dog world. Either way, the majority of the world (and I'm not saying that the western portion of the world is the majority) is selfish and if you disagree, than you really are just being ignorant. It's not something that you can debate.
In westernized culture (really doesn't make much sense tbh, we have no culture anymore), everything is about yourself.
In westernized culture
westernized culture
Hahaha yes westernized culture is the pinnicle of human achivement and represents everything we are and ever will be yes hahahaha.
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Squishalot
Hahaha yes westernized culture is the pinnicle of human achivement and represents everything we are and ever will be yes hahahaha.
A lot of Eastern culture is much the same. How often do you see in Asian countries, workers who stay back til 1am in the morning at work, because they don't want to be seen going home before their boss, so as to get ahead of other co-workers?
No-one (or very few) is hard working for the sake of the company, pretty much everybody has something in it for themselves.
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Deepthought
Hahaha yes westernized culture is the pinnicle of human achivement and represents everything we are and ever will be yes hahahaha.
A lot of Eastern culture is much the same. How often do you see in Asian countries, workers who stay back til 1am in the morning at work, because they don't want to be seen going home before their boss, so as to get ahead of other co-workers?
No-one (or very few) is hard working for the sake of the company, pretty much everybody has something in it for themselves.
How many of these examples would exist without western out-branching and globalization? I'm betting, not so many.
But anyway, saying "western culture = terrible" doesn't mean I'm saying "other cultures = perfect".
Post by
MyTie
To reward someone for producing more is capitalism at its core.
Historically, this has been true (theoretically), but that isn't the definition of communism. Communism is just complete control over the economy by community (read: government). It doesn't mean that the government can't offer incentives.
Post by
Squishalot
Hahaha yes westernized culture is the pinnicle of human achivement and represents everything we are and ever will be yes hahahaha.
A lot of Eastern culture is much the same. How often do you see in Asian countries, workers who stay back til 1am in the morning at work, because they don't want to be seen going home before their boss, so as to get ahead of other co-workers?
No-one (or very few) is hard working for the sake of the company, pretty much everybody has something in it for themselves.
How many of these examples would exist without western out-branching and globalization? I'm betting, not so many.
But anyway, saying "western culture = terrible" doesn't mean I'm saying "other cultures = perfect".
The way you're coming across is that 'western cultures don't represent the whole world', so to focus on them is laughable. I'm suggesting that other cultures are just as bad.
And yes, such behaviour did exist prior to globalisation too. Human selfishness can be seen all through history, through all culture's history.
Communism is just complete control over the economy by community (read: government). It doesn't mean that the government can't offer incentives.
Perhaps, but not quite. Communism would involve the ownership by the government of all economic capital, including human capital. Therefore, the government would essentially be prescribing what each person was to produce. Once it starts incentivising for overproduction, the government starts to lose control of the human capital, as people produce more than the government wants.
Post by
Deepthought
The way you're coming across is that 'western cultures don't represent the whole world', so to focus on them is laughable. I'm suggesting that other cultures are just as bad.
Which is a pretty laughable suggestion.
And yes, such behaviour did exist prior to globalisation too.
I never said it didn't.
Human selfishness can be seen all through history, through all culture's history.
I don't see your point?
Post by
Arathian
The power lies with the consumer in a free market.
I think your meaning of "free market" is different from mine. Please do explain.
In Communism, the government is the sole regulator in the market.
In Capitalism, both the government and the consumer regulate the market.
In a Free-Market model, the only regulating force in the consumer himself. Any say the government or the companies has is only secondary or indirect.
didn't USA had that before 1929? It works for some time and then BOOM
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
didn't USA had that before 1929? It works for some time and then BOOM
Have what? America has always been a capitalist country.
Post by
Arathian
I am pretty sure that during the 20's USA had become almost exactly what we call free market economy. That changed after the economy breakdown. If you have evidence to the contrary I would be glad to see them.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I am pretty sure that during the 20's USA had become almost exactly what we call free market economy. That changed after the economy breakdown. If you have evidence to the contrary I would be glad to see them.
Evidence to what? You're the one making some random claim.
Post by
Lecks
Human selfishness can be seen all through history, through all culture's history.
I don't see your point?
His point is that humans are selfish, history shows this. Therefor, it has been prevalent before globalisation. Which answers your question of how globalisation affected the selfishness shown in cultures around the world.
Post by
Squishalot
The way you're coming across is that 'western cultures don't represent the whole world', so to focus on them is laughable. I'm suggesting that other cultures are just as bad.
Which is a pretty laughable suggestion.
And yes, such behaviour did exist prior to globalisation too.
I never said it didn't.
Human selfishness can be seen all through history, through all culture's history.
I don't see your point?
You're getting a tad defensive now, I think. I was pointing out that you were laughing at the argument, not that your argument is laughable.
How many of these examples would exist without western out-branching and globalization?
The implication in this statement is that you're saying that eastern selfishness didn't exist before globalisation.
What makes you think that people aren't selfish?
Post by
260787
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Post by
Deepthought
It's like arguing with a child. You nit-pick at what you can and leave out the rest of it that would make your point obselete.
Ok, Gorefiend. Tell me that Western Culture hasn't had the biggest influnce on the world out of all existing cultures.
Please.
I don't think his point can get any clearer.
I think it could. The fact that selfishness has existed in the past has basically no baring on this arguement unless you attempt to push the point further.
For someone with the username "Deepthought", I would have expected you to be a little more intelligent and actually put thought into discussions. I'm almost under the impression that you're arguing for the sake of arguement (even though their really isn't anything to argue about with your points).
Nice. That post contained more personal attack than attempt at debate.
Post by
Lecks
I think it could. The fact that selfishness has existed in the past has basically no baring on this arguement unless you attempt to push the point further.
Unless you have evidence that suggests a decline in selfishness, his point is valid.
Post by
Deepthought
I think it could. The fact that selfishness has existed in the past has basically no baring on this arguement unless you attempt to push the point further.
Unless you have evidence that suggests a decline in selfishness, his point is valid.
Are you even reading my posts? When did I say selfishness had been falling?
Post by
Squishalot
Ok, take a step back.
What do you mean when you say that you don't think people are inherently selfish, seeing as you're not objecting to the fact that people are selfish?
"It's not human" to be selfish? It's something that's community driven?
Humans are intrinsically selfish - all animals are. We act to maximise our utility, always.
Post by
Deepthought
Humans are intrinsically selfish - all animals are. We act to maximise our utility, always.
Maximising utility and being selfish are not the same thing.
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