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Post by
Azazel
Glad I finally finished my guide.
Post by
atomicwolf22
Glad I finally finished my guide.
Good now you can write a ret guide for pvp. lol
Hmm or Maybe Hammer should write it.
Also does anyone miss the old Pokemon Trading Card Game? I wonder why gamefreak never made another one atleast for the U.S.. Got thinking about this when I have been seeing different adds for the latest exp to the game.
Post by
Raleandris
Also does anyone miss the old Pokemon Trading Card Game? You mean like a game cartridge like they had for the Gameboy back in the days? Yes. AFAIK, they're still printing English Language cards that are up-to-date, as well as holding tournaments and the like for the official TCG Leagues and such.
Post by
Azazel
Glad I finally finished my guide.
Good now you can write a ret guide for pvp. lol
I was actually considering that. :P
Post by
pezz
Also does anyone miss the old Pokemon Trading Card Game? You mean like a game cartridge like they had for the Gameboy back in the days? Yes. AFAIK, they're still printing English Language cards that are up-to-date, as well as holding tournaments and the like for the official TCG Leagues and such.
Yeah although it's ridiculous now because of power creeping.
Post by
Raleandris
Also does anyone miss the old Pokemon Trading Card Game? You mean like a game cartridge like they had for the Gameboy back in the days? Yes. AFAIK, they're still printing English Language cards that are up-to-date, as well as holding tournaments and the like for the official TCG Leagues and such.
Yeah although it's ridiculous now because of power creeping.
It's a problem with all TCGs. Who wants to play with cards that will never be more powerful? To the populace at large, they have more fun with more powerful cards, so the developers make them. Then the next expansion what do they do? Well, it worked last time, so let's make more powerful cards.
The easiest game to see power creep in is Magic: The Gathering. Looking back when I started playing the game (somewhere around Revised),
Serra Angel
was a beast. She was $%^&*in'. Nowadays? She's relegated to an uncommon slot in repeating core sets, barely able to keep up with any creatures running around. One of the biggest outcrys I can recall from recent memory was the printing of
Tarmogoyf
. Basically, this thing could be a huge creature at a
massively
undercosted price, and it was incredibly powerful, and still is. Fun as hell to play with though.
So as long as people enjoy playing with more and more powerful cards, creators will continue printing them.
Edit: And for all of you MTG tournament players here, the card Mental Misstep from New Phyrexia will change non-Standard tournament play forever. That card is broken in half.
Post by
hatman555
One of the biggest outcrys I can recall from recent memory was the printing of
Tarmogoyf
. Basically, this thing could be a huge creature at a
massively
undercosted price, and it was incredibly powerful, and still is. Fun as hell to play with though.
So as long as people enjoy playing with more and more powerful cards, creators will continue printing them.
Edit: And for all of you MTG tournament players here, the card Mental Misstep from New Phyrexia will change non-Standard tournament play forever. That card is broken in half.
I know what you mean. I would only say that the Tarmogoyf card isn't that OP. With a creature and a spell in the graveyard is only 2/3. Late game it might be more powerful, but late game your going to have more mana to use anyways, so the fact that it has a cost of 2 doesn't really mean much.
I would say that
Lhurgoyf
was much more powerful. Especially in a green/black deck which could sacrifice its own creatures to make it stronger.
And wow, Mental Misstep, that would be so pro in blue speeder decks. Defiantly break a players first turn =P
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
pezz
Also does anyone miss the old Pokemon Trading Card Game? You mean like a game cartridge like they had for the Gameboy back in the days? Yes. AFAIK, they're still printing English Language cards that are up-to-date, as well as holding tournaments and the like for the official TCG Leagues and such.
Yeah although it's ridiculous now because of power creeping.
It's a problem with all TCGs. Who wants to play with cards that will never be more powerful? To the populace at large, they have more fun with more powerful cards, so the developers make them. Then the next expansion what do they do? Well, it worked last time, so let's make more powerful cards.
It's not just that. It's just a money making scheme. Want to have competitive cards for the next six months or so? Buy a ton of boosters. Have a year later, do it again.
The creators know that if there's a deck that works which comes out in the first set of cards, then anyone who really likes playing that deck is never going to buy another card. So every generation you have to break every previous generation to keep people buying.
The annoying thing is that Game Freak has now done that a little bit with the new pokemon cartridges. To be competitive you already had to buy the new cartridge regardless, there's no need to squeeze most of the old pokemon out of the metagame.
Post by
Raleandris
I know what you mean. I would only say that the Tarmogoyf card isn't that OP. With a creature and a spell in the graveyard is only 2/3. Late game it might be more powerful, but late game your going to have more mana to use anyways, so the fact that it has a cost of 2 doesn't really mean much.
Tarmogoyf was never broken in Standard, which is a format that (usually) has reasonably long games (6-7 turns "average" per person). It's true power lay in extended and legacy, which both have extremely quick games on average (as little as 2 turns), add into that the fact that those formats are dominated by graveyard shenanigans, and it wasn't uncommon to have a 5/6 'goyf on turn 2. That's pretty damn powerful.
And that's basically what I was getting at pezz, people having fun equates to more money spent on product.
Post by
cersoze
One of the biggest outcrys I can recall from recent memory was the printing of
Tarmogoyf
. Basically, this thing could be a huge creature at a
massively
undercosted price, and it was incredibly powerful, and still is. Fun as hell to play with though.
So as long as people enjoy playing with more and more powerful cards, creators will continue printing them.
Edit: And for all of you MTG tournament players here, the card Mental Misstep from New Phyrexia will change non-Standard tournament play forever. That card is broken in half.
I know what you mean. I would only say that the Tarmogoyf card isn't that OP. With a creature and a spell in the graveyard is only 2/3. Late game it might be more powerful, but late game your going to have more mana to use anyways, so the fact that it has a cost of 2 doesn't really mean much.
I would say that
Lhurgoyf
was much more powerful. Especially in a green/black deck which could sacrifice its own creatures to make it stronger.
And wow, Mental Misstep, that would be so pro in blue speeder decks. Defiantly break a players first turn =P
Cheers,
Hat
Lhurgoyf? Really? It's like 2 more manas than Tarmogoyf and it only count creatures on the graveyards.
You were kidding right?
About the Misstep, the good thing about this is that ANY deck can use it :)
Post by
hatman555
Lhurgoyf? Really? It's like 2 more manas than Tarmogoyf and it only count creatures on the graveyards.
You were kidding right?
....no? Tarmogoyf can only be 8/9 max Lhurgoyf can be way stronger depending on the amount of creatures traded in the turns before play.
Both would require feeding, preferable set up by yourself.
or
used with lhurgoyf was killer back in the day.
Hat
Post by
cersoze
Lhurgoyf? Really? It's like 2 more manas than Tarmogoyf and it only count creatures on the graveyards.
You were kidding right?
....no? Tarmogoyf can only be 8/9 max Lhurgoyf can be way stronger depending on the amount of creatures traded in the turns before play.
Both would require feeding, preferable set up by yourself.
or
used with lhurgoyf was killer back in the day.
Hat
But the feeding of Tarmo is much more intuitive than Lhurgoyf's. Every card that goes to the graveyard pumps Tarmo, and not Lhur. Besides this and the mana cost, Tarmo is a much more playable card because requires only one green mana and fits every Legacy deck.
But, as you said, "back in the day" (we understand this as no Tarmogoyfs in metagame) Lhurgoys was kinda "useable", but not now, never.
Post by
hatman555
Every card that goes to the graveyard pumps Tarmo
Only if the card is not already a type that is in the graveyard.
Graveyards have 0 cards your Tarmo is a 0/1
Graveyards have 1 land your Tarmo is a 1/2
Graveyards have 2 lands your Tarmo is still a 1/2
Graveyards have 8 Creatures 8 instants and 8 lands Tarmo is only a 3/4
Is only when a different type of card enters the graveyards that Tarmo gets stronger.
Its a wonderful card, don't get me wrong, but I see it much more limited in uses than the Lhurgoyf
Hat
Post by
cersoze
Every card that goes to the graveyard pumps Tarmo
Only if the card is not already a type that is in the graveyard.
Graveyards have 0 cards your Tarmo is a 0/1
Graveyards have 1 land your Tarmo is a 1/2
Graveyards have 2 lands your Tarmo is still a 1/2
Graveyards have 8 Creatures 8 instants and 8 lands Tarmo is only a 3/4
Is only when a different type of card enters the graveyards that Tarmo gets stronger.
Its a wonderful card, don't get me wrong, but I see it much more limited in uses than the Lhurgoyf
Hat
Please, limited? Don't get me wrong but you are overestimating Lhurgoyf.
Tarmo gets pumped with every card type in all graveyards, Lhur get pumped only with creatures. Who is limited here? Besides the fact (which I have already mentioned) that Tarmo is 1G (1 colorless and 1 green) and Lhur is 2GG (2 colorless and 2 green).
I don't know if you play competitively, but if you do, thinking like this will only lead you to oblivion (lol). There is an ABYSS between Tarmogoyf and Lhurgoyf. An imensurable abyss.
Post by
hatman555
Tarmo gets pumped with every card type in all graveyards, Lhur get pumped only with creatures.
Who is limited here?
Tarmo is limited.
Hat
Post by
cersoze
Tarmo gets pumped with every card type in all graveyards, Lhur get pumped only with creatures.
Who is limited here?
Tarmo is limited.
Hat
Oh God...give me patience.
Post by
Fulgorater
lol nerds
Post by
cersoze
lol nerds
We are in a WoW forum discussing about Magic. We are nerds.
Post by
Fulgorater
totally in jest :P and giving you opportunity for patience via humor :P
Post by
cersoze
totally in jest :P and giving you opportunity for patience via humor :P
I know :) Actualy my previous answer was a kind of joke, but whatever.
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