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430510
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HiVolt
Even if we end the scourge threat, then what? Is there any way we can actually beat the Burning Legion? The Naaru really haven't been much help, and surprisingly enough, the only way I can see the forces of Azeroth defeating the Burning Legion is if we team up with the Lich King and his scourgy forces, if we could turn every dead demon into an undead demon, AND every one of our own soldiers into undead soldiers after they die...then we might have a chance....or we might still get roflstomped by the Legion...
The power of the Burning Legion, is indeed vast. But one thing that they underestimate at every turn is the surprising power of the lesser races. Throughout the history of the mythos, the Burning Legion has been defeated, one way or another, by alliances between the races. We've done it before, and now we seem to be stronger and more numerous than ever, so there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to now. With every attack the Burning Legion mounts, their numbers dwindle, and more are joined to our cause. In the end, whether through the help of the Naaru or the Titans, or both, we will overcome; as we always have.
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ArgentSun
I am a little more optimistic than you :)
I do believe we, as mortal races, are actually capable of defeating the Legion. Sargeras, the core of it, was physically destroyed by Aegwynn, a Guardian of Tirisfal, who was rather powerful. Yes, she destroyed only his body, the spell drained her almost completely, but it is still a fact - Sargeras didn't let himself be beaten. He was defeated. His plot of infesting the very cells of Aegwynn, and corrupting her son later on was a quick recovery.
So, historically, the leader of the Legion can be defeated. Killed. And I think that if Aegwynn had a Naaru or two in her pocket, they could stop Sargeras from changing bodies. Or they might have alerted her if the demonic taint.
But the point is, Aegwynn didn't have Naaru on her side. Nor ridiculously powerful paladins. We do. Assuming we have a being like this around (or even a leader of a Dragonflight) when we defeat Sargeras - which is clearly hard, but not impossible - we could make sure he doesn't try the same trick.
As for the rest of the Legion... there are
many
. But we've been doing fine exterminating them, step by step.
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430510
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HiVolt
That's just the point though, they are looked down upon. They are essentially cast out of normal society, and while they may seek sanctuary with the dark master, they are still few, and there are those whose loyalty to their people will overcome their lust for power. Ner'zhul, before he was cast as a traitor by Gul'dan, serves as the perfect example. Then, compare the number of paladins, priests, mages, shaman, and druids to the number of warlocks. The power of the warlocks is as of nothing compared to them.
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Adamsm
Wait what? Ner'zhul was tricked by the Deciever, and Gul'dan helped the Eredar lord corrupt the entire orc race. Ner'zhul's actions during the Dark Portal phase of the Second war were only to try to escape.
But yeah, the Warlocks would probably leave the alliance/horde enmass and join up with the legion again to keep all of their powers.
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430510
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HiVolt
Wait what? Ner'zhul was tricked by the Deciever, and Gul'dan helped the Eredar lord corrupt the entire orc race. Ner'zhul's actions during the Dark Portal phase of the Second war were only to try to escape.
But yeah, the Warlocks would probably leave the alliance/horde enmass and join up with the legion again to keep all of their powers.
I'm talking more about his state of mind when he went to Oshu'Gun, not his actions. He wanted desperately to redeem himself in the eyes of the ancestors, and not just for himself, but for his people as well. It wasn't until he was discovered that he became the coward that he was... well maybe he was always a coward, but until then he had the right intentions.
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HiVolt
Still looking at face value, of course they number few and would be easily overcome, but I am sure that they could open portals for demons to enter Azeroth, as well as assassinate leading figures.
While it's possible, such a thing as demonic portals opening up over Azeroth wouldn't be overlooked by anyone. Then it would be extremely hard to assassinate anyone. Assassinations take a lot of planning, patience, subtlety and deceit. While the Legion is certainly capable of these things, the lesser races have become aware of their capabilities, especially the orcs, night elves, blood elves, and draenei.
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430510
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Post by
Ganit
The highborne opened a portal fairly easily, they just had a problem defending it.
This is true, but as you said, they had a hard time of defending it on home turf. There's no way they would be able to open a portal in the middle of the Trade District and have the Legion zerg the Keep...
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430510
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HiVolt
Also, they used the immense power of the well of eternity, there are no other places now with such powerful magical energies, I realize now the stupidity of my earlier post.
It's not a stupid post, in fact it's an intriguing thought in my opinion. But I just don't see how the Legion could be successful, unless they are much more vastly numbered than we all realize. They do have hundreds of subjugated worlds at their disposal after all.
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Adamsm
Heh, I just noticed that, about the Scourge fighting with us, there's a major flaw in that thought; The Dreadlords would be on the Legion's side, which means the orginal demon necromancer's who (cant' remember this cleary) either learned the skill or taught the skill to Kil'jaeden the secret of undeath would be back, and without the Lich King to control the Scourge, would probably be able to regain control of the leaderless undead without a problem.
As for where I got that, during one of the War of the Ancient books; Rhonin Brox and some Night Elves are in a destroyed village and are attacked by undead. They later find 3 Dreadlords casting the reanimation spells. They wtfpwn them (Brox is there of course they wtfpwn) but still, you see the power of undeath even as far back as then.
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Blackboy0
Heh, I just noticed that, about the Scourge fighting with us, there's a major flaw in that thought; The Dreadlords would be on the Legion's side, which means the orginal demon necromancer's who (cant' remember this cleary) either learned the skill or taught the skill to Kil'jaeden the secret of undeath would be back, and without the Lich King to control the Scourge, would probably be able to regain control of the leaderless undead without a problem.
As for where I got that, during one of the War of the Ancient books; Rhonin Brox and some Night Elves are in a destroyed village and are attacked by undead. They later find 3 Dreadlords casting the reanimation spells. They wtfpwn them (Brox is there of course they wtfpwn) but still, you see the power of undeath even as far back as then.
Yes, the Dreadlords were the first to begin the Undeath Plague. I remember in the War of the Ancients Book #2, Brox, Rhonin, and Jarod are in Suramar on a scouting mission and are attacked by the undead villages, and Brox is seperated from the others and stumbles upon 2 Dreadlords, 4 Fel Guard and a Doomguard, who are the casters. It is said later that that was the starting of the Undead Plague which swept across the land.
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114918
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Adamsm
Should be "Does Not Exist at this time." The Naaru are trying to build it, they've already found 9 races so far. *hint hint nudge nudge* (Not really sure if they consider the Forsaken a good choice for the Army of Light or not.)
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HiVolt
Should be "Does Not Exist at this time." The Naaru are trying to build it, they've already found 9 races so far. *hint hint nudge nudge* (Not really sure if they consider the Forsaken a good choice for the Army of Light or not.)
I agree with that one, but eventually we'll have a couple more in the fight. I can definitely see the Pandaren joining the cause, regardless of if they become a part of the Horde or the Alliance.
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Adamsm
The Goblins might, the Tuskarr and the Taunka would eventually, more then likely the Hodir giants would join up as well after the Ulduar problems are dealt with. Just need to see what else Blizzard pulls out of their magical hat's for other races.
As for the Etheral's and the Ogre's of Outland, that one is hard to say. The Etheral's are the ultimate mercs, if the Naaru compenstated them, they might join. As for the Ogre's the Ogri'la and Rexxar's groups would join, but as for the rest of the race, hard to tell.
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