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Blood DPS vs Frost DPS
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Post by
sushigaski
Hi all, been a while since I've posted here.
I've been playing dual-specced Blood Tank / Frost DPS for a while, but am getting bored with it and am thinking about switching it up a bit. I am thinking about Blood DPS / Frost Tank.
So I'm curious about how Blood fares as a DPS spec versus Frost. I've got some okayish DPS gear... wow-heroes / beimba show me as ready for 25 man naxx, and in 10 man naxx I did 3k dps versus Patchwerk, frost specced.
Can anyone help me compare the two specs?
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Post by
dervasavred
Do 25 man Thorim and watch the damage a really, realy good Blood DK can pump with BB. I watched a Blood DK do 1.8 million in the Arena JUST from BB.
Yes, 1.8 million.
Post by
sushigaski
The findings above seem to agree with my previous experience in blood, which is that OB / FS are hitting harder per hit than HS, but that the 1 rune HS occurs much more frequently. I guess BB vs. HB is working similarly, which is good news for blood.
As a blood DPS, what is the best RPD? Would it be better for me to get DRW and dump into DC, or to get UB? I want to keep above 50 RP at all times for the Glyph of Death Strike, right?
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Post by
dervasavred
You forgot to mention though BB is great for AoE damage so Blood has an advantage there, Frost can use HB and BB? So... The point of HB vs BB is void as both specs can use BB but Frost has the advantage with HB. The huge issue is the fact that Unholy outstrips both specs in AoE...
Blood can AoE to a degree but for the most part it's significantly weaker on large AoE groups as compared to Frost or Unholy this does not mean it's a bad spec just not suited to heavy AoE fights (mostly trash) where it shines in the balancing aspect on 1v1 targets.
The problem with this is that Blood can do 6 BBs one rotation and two every other rotation.
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Post by
sushigaski
Glyph of Disease not good for blood? I thought that was the only spec that it WAS good for!
Post by
dervasavred
Blood will have to spend at least 2 runes rune to Pestilence + either PS or IT, unless your 6 BB includes someone else to keep the diseases up(BB doesn't seem to care whose disease, as long as Frost Fever or Blood Plague's on the target)
and I'm fairly sure someone already showed that Glyph of Disease is NOT that good for Blood
Every other DK has to spend the same runes for Pest/PS/IT. It just happens that on some 25 man fights, the adds stay up long enough for a 6-8 BB rotation _is_ possible at times due to new refresh of diseases. In fact, a relatively skilled DK can use a macro to apply diseases to a new wave off of a nearly-dead mob from the previous wave, then BT off the Rune for the new rotation on the next wave.
And come on, in a 25 man, there's going to be another DK most of the time. It's the nature of the beast.
Also, 50% more damage from a one Rune ability is still not better than Blood's ability to pump out 6-8 on the same wave. Don't forget about Bloody Strikes either.
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Post by
Aadramelekh
All I can say is that as long as a Frost DK has a really good weapon (read: high damage range - my current weapon is
Wraith Spear
, didn't get a chance to grab a better one yet) and 4xT7 (even the 10 man set), they can compete with Blood and Unholy on single target DPS as well. A Blood DK needs high amounts of ArP to match the damage that Frost Strike is capable of .I did 4300 DPS yesterday on a Sartharion 25 fight, with Frost Strike critical hits averaging at 9500; there were quite a few strikes for more than 10500, and doing 3 or 4 FS per rune cycle can be devastating with a good weapon - something like
Ironsoul
. Not to mention that a good weapon +
Sigil of Awareness
= WIN (Obliterates scoring higher than Frost Strikes on many occasions with this baby).
This is not to say Blood isn't a good DPS spec. It can be the best, but it needs very good gear to pull off. Frost has the leisure of less gear dependency and an easier overall cycle (which only requires the player to watch out for Killing Machine and Rime procs).
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Aadramelekh
Indeed, Icy Touch > Pestilence > Deathchill > Howling Blast > Blood Boil > Blood Tap > Blood Boil + Frost Strike spam = WIN
Howling blast does a crapload of damage to targets already infected with Frost Fever, and the Black Ice talent also boosts Blood Boil damage by 10% in addition of it doing double damage due to present disease. @5000 AP (raid buffed), Howling Blast can crit for 9-10K, and Blood Boil does 3K+ crits. Usually trash pulls last for 15-20 seconds. Due to the Merciless Combat talent, a second HB squeezed in before the end of the trash pack will yield even more than 10K critical hits. With proper buffs, Frost can dish out excellent AoE damage in 6-7 seconds.
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