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To everyone who keeps jumping down the throats of those who weren't thrilled with the new instance and the free end game raid gear from heroics. I am not complaining was simply stating a fact that for my guild we lost a lot of steam. I understand that all of you newer raiders feel like I am saying it's your fault you this has happened, but that has never been my intention. I simply stated that the new changes were kind of disheartening to those who had put in the work and effort for end game raiding.
As for MGT - it was not the end raid. It was a heroic that was legendary in it's difficulty and the amount of teamwork required to pull it off. It was never the last raid. The gear from there was on par with beginning raids such as Kara/Gruul/Mags/SSC - It did not have end game raiding stuff in it's heroic version outside of a few trinkets.
ToTC 5man heroic - It has end game raiding gear - Gear that is equal to or better than stuff you can get off the first 4 bosses in Ulduar. That is just a tad bit ridiculous. It gives you badges to get Ulduar 10/25 level gear, and requires no coordination but is simply a dps race. The only tough thing is tanking and healing it. Tanking because of the amazing amount of damage they heap on you especially the Chick boss and healing because all 3 bosses have an insane amount of quick casting magic damage.
They aren't comparable as MGT was an actual dungeon instance with alot of complicated pulls and the extremely difficult bosses, and ToTC is simply boss fights. I enjoy ToTC, for an instance it is unique though they should cut the 5 minute long intro out.
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To everyone who keeps jumping down the throats of those who weren't thrilled with the new instance and the free end game raid gear from heroics. I am not complaining was simply stating a fact that for my guild we lost a lot of steam. I understand that all of you newer raiders feel like I am saying it's your fault you this has happened, but that has never been my intention. I simply stated that the new changes were kind of disheartening to those who had put in the work and effort for end game raiding.
As for MGT - it was not the end raid. It was a heroic that was legendary in it's difficulty and the amount of teamwork required to pull it off. It was never the last raid. The gear from there was on par with beginning raids such as Kara/Gruul/Mags/SSC - It did not have end game raiding stuff in it's heroic version outside of a few trinkets.
ToTC 5man heroic - It has end game raiding gear - Gear that is equal to or better than stuff you can get off the first 4 bosses in Ulduar. That is just a tad bit ridiculous. It gives you badges to get Ulduar 10/25 level gear, and requires no coordination but is simply a dps race. The only tough thing is tanking and healing it. Tanking because of the amazing amount of damage they heap on you especially the Chick boss and healing because all 3 bosses have an insane amount of quick casting magic damage.
They aren't comparable as MGT was an actual dungeon instance with alot of complicated pulls and the extremely difficult bosses, and ToTC is simply boss fights. I enjoy ToTC, for an instance it is unique though they should cut the 5 minute long intro out.
i'll agree with you on a couple points. MGT did offer good gear (even for it's ilvl), and it was a ridiculously harder dungeon than any of the previous ones (and heroic was just brutal) but it wasn't end game by any means.. ToC is ridiculously easier than MGT by comparison, and the gear is a ridiculous amount better (especially considering the non-heroic modes of these 5 mans)
The thing is, TotC isn't endgame either. Yeah it gives ulduar-10 gear. Ulduar 10 isn't endgame either. Ulduar 25 isn't endgame... hell, TotGC 25 hard mode isn't end game for that matter. There is still going to be another raid that we know for sure is coming at... well at some point.
I wasn't around for the beginning of burning crusade, so I don't know if they put the raids out in stages like they're doing with wotlk. (did kara/gruuls/mags come out first? were people irritated when ZA/SSC was released and said it had nothing to do with the burning legion storyline?) I have a feeling that if the raids WERE released in stages like this, then we are at about the BT/MH equivalent of stuff. Not end game, but definitely getting there. When ICC is patched in, it'll be just like SWP (only make more sense, because all of BC was built up to make you believe that illidan was the "final" boss.... but i digress)
Now admittedly, when SWP and MgT came out, they weren't giving out the same ilvl gear, but the badge gear you could get from grinding heroics was easily well enough to carry you into ZA/SSC if you had nothing BUT badge gear. You didn't really have to set foot into kara/mags/gruuls if you didn't want to. It's similar now, just done at a different stage of the game. Conquest badge gear will easily get you into ulduar/TotGC, but it probably won't do the trick for Icecrown Citadel when it goes live.
oh.. and just for the record.. MgT is still to this day my favorite 5 man.. i loved it regardless of how many wipes i had. ToC is fun, but yes... the really long intro really is too long.
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MegaVolt
All this stupid item QQ.
Seriously, Blizzard should just get rid of those damn ilvls and have the BiS gear craftable for next to nothing so that everyone can afford them once he hits 80. Maybe then skill decides and not time invested in farming stuff.
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This is annoying, blizzard ruined a good game. Like most MMORPGs, they bend over and take it with a smile to all the QQrs. Avion looks good, and I plan on takin a swing at the Beta test. This patch I thought at first was a good thing, then I tanked the new instance... it made sence that VoA was a few pulls and a boss sicne you had a 2hr time limit. But TotC is 1 boss another boss done more-or-less. Don't get me wrong I thought gearing my new toon out in a week was nice till I went from barely being able to tank naxx10 to tanking Ulduar 10 in no time.
Ive seen other people more or less agree to this. I mean I get on do a raid or 2 and leave, though it has been nice due to the fact ive been reading more books since the patch and playing football with friends more.
Ok sorry about the rant, I'm done now.
Absolutely right. They didn't just ruin a game they annihilated an entire genre. They literally quadrupled the marketshare however the expansion was 99% children. Now those children and/are first time mmo players infect other mmos who's developers care about money before the health and purity of the genre. Round and round we go.
In the end it speaks to just how pathetic today's generation is and just how bad human greed is. Look out for pantheon, the first game that knows it's target audience and knows the repercussions of marketing it towards the real mmo gamers. The subs will be in the hundreds of thousands instead of the millions and the respect they earn by doing so will pay off in dividends.
Until them, I've yet to see another developer even consider or entertain leaving out swaddle and coddle happy features to placate the self entitled, the instant gratificationers, and the Xbox kids who blame everything but themselves for expecting to "beat the game" while putting in a fraction of the playtime or effort.
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