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Blizzard has retri palas in /ignore
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Post by
Rencol
Simply look at it - retri palats are the only class without any changes (better changes) in system - thats ok, maybe they think we dont need any changes, BUT why ffs do
all plate dps crafted items
from ToC and future ICC has
ARMOR PENETRATION
on it and thus makes it totaly useless for us and not worth the effort?
Post by
Quest
In your URL of your browser, check for me; does it say qqhead.com? If not you may be in the wrong place.
Try
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10018
Also, if you dont like armp, there are plunty of other things to choose from. ArmP is not useless for us either. Not everything can be up there with str/hit
Post by
blademeld
Make BoE gear that has ideal stats for every class as opposed to making BoE a bit less desirable to the BoP gear?
I think you're asking for too much.
Post by
svirve
In your URL of your browser, check for me; does it say qqhead.com? If not you may be in the wrong place.
Try
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10018
Also, if you dont like armp, there are plunty of other things to choose from. ArmP is not useless for us either. Not everything can be up there with str/hit
Havn't you heard? They made it so that ArP reduces DPS for paladins and increases it for every other class.
OP is just a tard that didn't get his epic from the weekly VoA pug.
Post by
Squishalot
In your URL of your browser, check for me; does it say qqhead.com? If not you may be in the wrong place.
Try
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10018
Also, if you dont like armp, there are plunty of other things to choose from. ArmP is not useless for us either. Not everything can be up there with str/hit
Havn't you heard? They made it so that ArP reduces DPS for paladins and increases it for every other class.
OP is just a tard that didn't get his epic from the weekly VoA pug.
Wha? OMG, so I should stop stacking ArP? That's f***'ing crazy!
Post by
chase123
I thought ArP increased Divine Eye Lasers damage?
Post by
311760
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Post by
MischievousLoki
hmm, were you around when seals lasted 30sec and were consumed on judgement? when we didn't have threat reducing talents! when exorcism was only useable on undead! when retadins used to have to wear healadin gear to do any sizeable dps, which could never compare to any other class dps! you should be happy that the class is where it is at now. Talents and abilities > gear
Let's see what you missed:
Laughing stock of the DPS world
Totally random burst
Constantly OOM
Was worse for grinding than Holy is today.
Post by
Quest
when we didn't have threat reducing talents!r
Blessing of Salvation?
Post by
MischievousLoki
when we didn't have threat reducing talents!r
Blessing of Salvation?
Was on all DPS regardless of who they were.
It's not like it's exclusive to ret.
Post by
Quest
Constantly OOM
I still have 22 int on unstoppable force from my pre arena pvp FHP
=D
Post by
frmorrison
Simply look at it - retri palats are the only class without any changes (better changes) in system - thats ok, maybe they think we dont need any changes, BUT why ffs do
all plate dps crafted items
from ToC and future ICC has
ARMOR PENETRATION
on it and thus makes it totaly useless for us and not worth the effort?
So use the leather or mail versions of the gear if you don't like ArP. With the T10 2 piece (DS cooldown gets refreshed early) ArP may not be the worst stat anymore!
Post by
Sgtpain
hmm, were you around when seals lasted 30sec and were consumed on judgement? when we didn't have threat reducing talents! when exorcism was only useable on undead! when retadins used to have to wear healadin gear to do any sizeable dps, which could never compare to any other class dps! you should be happy that the class is where it is at now. Talents and abilities > gear
So if there is ever an improvement to a class, no matter how small, one should remain satisfied? So if all classes gain 30% more damage, and the pally gains 10% damage, we should just be hapy blizz gave us 10% instead of nothing at all?
Not saying that the ret pally hasn't come a long way, but in terms of raid dps, we still have far to go. Blizz's terms like "Viable" and "competative" are buzz words. If one class does consistant 6,200 dps in comparable gear to a pally doing 5,000 dps, it's competative, and if the dps is 4,000, it's viable, but not likely to get you raid spots if there are plenty of others to choose from.
Some classes are scaling REALLY well, while others dno't scale much at all. Our equally geared pallies do about 5,000-5,200 to a feral druid's and hunter's 6,200-6,500 currently.
Post by
svirve
So if there is ever an improvement to a class, no matter how small, one should remain satisfied? So if all classes gain 30% more damage, and the pally gains 10% damage, we should just be hapy blizz gave us 10% instead of nothing at all?
Not saying that the ret pally hasn't come a long way, but in terms of raid dps, we still have far to go. Blizz's terms like "Viable" and "competative" are buzz words. If one class does consistant 6,200 dps in comparable gear to a pally doing 5,000 dps, it's competative, and if the dps is 4,000, it's viable, but not likely to get you raid spots if there are plenty of others to choose from.
Some classes are scaling REALLY well, while others dno't scale much at all. Our equally geared pallies do about 5,000-5,200 to a feral druid's and hunter's 6,200-6,500 currently.
You're kidding right? Comparing pure DPS classes to hybrid DPS classes?
Sure feral droods shouldnt be doing more damage than an equally geared ret paladin.
But if you honestly think a pure DPS class should be on equal terms DPS wise to a hybrid DPS class. I can only say i hope you never ever have to make any decisions concerning other people.
And if you think it's been a small improvement since vanilla or even tBC days. Just stop playing.
Post by
Sgtpain
So if there is ever an improvement to a class, no matter how small, one should remain satisfied? So if all classes gain 30% more damage, and the pally gains 10% damage, we should just be hapy blizz gave us 10% instead of nothing at all?
Not saying that the ret pally hasn't come a long way, but in terms of raid dps, we still have far to go. Blizz's terms like "Viable" and "competative" are buzz words. If one class does consistant 6,200 dps in comparable gear to a pally doing 5,000 dps, it's competative, and if the dps is 4,000, it's viable, but not likely to get you raid spots if there are plenty of others to choose from.
Some classes are scaling REALLY well, while others dno't scale much at all. Our equally geared pallies do about 5,000-5,200 to a feral druid's and hunter's 6,200-6,500 currently.
You're kidding right? Comparing pure DPS classes to hybrid DPS classes?
Sure feral droods shouldnt be doing more damage than an equally geared ret paladin.
But if you honestly think a pure DPS class should be on equal terms DPS wise to a hybrid DPS class. I can only say i hope you never ever have to make any decisions concerning other people.
And if you think it's been a small improvement since vanilla or even tBC days. Just stop playing.
PLease point out where I implied there was only a small improvement since vanilla. In fact, you must have totally missed the part that I said "Not saying that the ret pally hasn't come a long way" You can read, right?
Also, when I am specced for dps, that's the only thing I can do. I can tank just as well as any other class while I am specced dps. Switch to bear and get squashed. Am I a hybrid when I am fighting in the middle of a boss fight and the MT goes down? Nope, I can't do anything more than a rogue could. In fact, some rogues should evasion tank longer than a kitty gone bear can actually tank.
Blizz originally said they wanted to see about a 10% difference in dps. 10% is only about 500 dps at those high numbers, not 1500+. Warriors are another class that are doing very well and scale extremely well with gear, so it's not just druids.
Post by
svirve
PLease point out where I implied there was only a small improvement since vanilla. In fact, you must have totally missed the part that I said "Not saying that the ret pally hasn't come a long way" You can read, right?
Also, when I am specced for dps, that's the only thing I can do. I can tank just as well as any other class while I am specced dps. Switch to bear and get squashed. Am I a hybrid when I am fighting in the middle of a boss fight and the MT goes down? Nope, I can't do anything more than a rogue could. In fact, some rogues should evasion tank longer than a kitty gone bear can actually tank.
Blizz originally said they wanted to see about a 10% difference in dps. 10% is only about 500 dps at those high numbers, not 1500+. Warriors are another class that are doing very well and scale extremely well with gear, so it's not just druids.
So if there is ever an improvement to a class,
no matter how small
, one should remain satisfied? So if all classes gain 30% more damage, and the pally gains 10% damage, we should just be hapy blizz gave us 10% instead of nothing at all?
Aw dang it. I guess you weren't implying it, you were saying it.
Yea cause a rogue can also use LoH, bubble, Buff kings/might/wisdom, have auras that increase armor/resistance/cause damage/reduce spell pushback, increase damage by anyone affected by your aura by 3% and their melee/cast/ranged attack speed by 3%, HoSalv, HoSac, DiSac, reduce attack power of mobs, restore mana/hp to anyone attacking the same mob as you. Do you want me to continue?
Paladins are the second most hybrid class after druids and if you think that just because you're specced ret that cease to remain a fact. You should really learn that PvE content in this game is a team effort. Nobody gives a $%^& if you do 25k DPS if you cant use LoH on the tank when he's about to die.
Am I a hybrid when I am fighting in the middle of a boss fight and the MT goes down? Nope, I can't do anything more than a rogue could.
L2P you still have LoH when you're ret specced.
Post by
blademeld
Svirve, Sgtpain, you guys are getting nowhere, this thread really doesn't need to continue that way.
So if there is ever an improvement to a class,
no matter how small
, one should remain satisfied? So if all classes gain 30% more damage, and the pally gains 10% damage, we should just be hapy blizz gave us 10% instead of nothing at all?
Aw dang it. I guess you weren't implying it, you were saying it.
Technically, no. Sgtpain used it in a "what if" scenario: but I'll have to agree that it was implied somewhat, probably not intentionally.
Am I a hybrid when I am fighting in the middle of a boss fight and the MT goes down? Nope, I can't do anything more than a rogue could.
L2P you still have LoH when you're ret specced.
Rogue: Evasion tank if threat is high enough on him: (~15 second rather effective emergency tank 5% + 5% + 5% + 50% + agility dodge at 65%+ pure avoidance) will get one-two shot though.
Ret paladin: Divine Sacrifice, LoH (before tank goes down) bubble/wall + taunt tanking (12 seconds)
meh.
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358147
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Post by
blademeld
Heh, we're on the same realm.
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322291
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