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Post by
Nehme
Hi everyone, I'm planning on starting back on my 67 druid and get it to 80 to tank.
Now I'm thinking about proffessions. Would it be crazy to go Blacksmithing / Jewelcrafting?
Im thinking about the extra sockets BS can offer.
Any tips are welcome, ty.
Post by
210707
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Post by
Sandos
Blacksmithing grants:
Bracer socket
Gloves socket
These two allow for two extra gems, giving +60 stamina/30 stamina + 20 agility/40 agility.
Leatherworking grants:
Fur lining - stamina
This adds 102 stamina. Substract 40 off this number gives you the total bonus to the regular
enchant
, 62 stamina.
Enchanting grants:
Enchant ring - stamina
You can enchant both your rings, so this gives +60 stamina.
Jewelcrafting grants:
3x
Solid dragon's eye
3x
Delicate dragon's eye
3x
Solid majestic zircon
gives 90 stamina, so 153-90 totals 63 stamina.
3x
Delicate cardinal ruby
gives 60 agility, so 102-60 totals 42 agility.
Now, as you can see leatherworking beats blacksmithing: it grants more bonuses (leg enchants are also very cheap) and offers far more useful items to a druid than blacksmithing.
For your second profession I would suggest jewelcrafting for the simple fact it offers more stats and more choice than enchanting. This is more a matter of preference though as it is not a very big difference. What you could look at is the average enchanting/jewelcrafting price and which is more requested. On my realm, jewelcrafting would earn you more money than enchanting.
Conclusion: leatherworking and jewelcrafting are the best professions for a druid tank.
Post by
cosmicguen
Cant actually see a problem with BS/JC for extra sockets and those sexy prismatic gems.
If you want to do it, go for it.
If you're wanting the item enhancements from LW (leg patches) you've only got to get the mats together and get someone to make them for you.
Post by
Heckler
So I'm not a professions pro, but here's my take:
(Let's look at stamina, for the sake of argument)
Leatherworkers
get one stat bonus unavailable to other classes, a
wrist enchant
. Since a +40 Stamina regular enchant is available, this means as a leatherworker, you have
+62 Stamina extra
.
Blacksmithing
offers 2 perks, in the form of two
extra
sockets
. This buys you 2 extra gem slots, resulting in
+60 Stamina advantage
(if you put Dragon's Eyes here, you're just removing them from somewhere else, so you can't really count it as a BS perk).
Jewelcrafting
gives access to 3 JC Gems, for this example,
Solid Dragon's Eye
over
Solid Majestic Zircon
. At 21 Stam each, this gives JC a
63 Stamina advantage
. JC also offers JC-Only Trinkets, though I'm unsure how useful they are at a gear level where you're willing to spend thousands of gold and many hours to gain ~60 Stamina.
Alchemy
offers
Mixology
... the most likely use for this argument is the increase from 1300 to 1620 in Flask of Stoneblood. This is underwhelming as a Bear tank, and works out to ~21.5 Stamina. It also offers an increased duration, but since thats simply a question of Gold, I don't think it's of any value in this discussion. Alchemy gives you a
~21.5 Stamina advantage
.
Inscription
offers a
Shoulder Enchant
that is better than the
Sons of Hodir - Exalted
one. It offers a flat 40 Dodge Rating upgrade. Since we know Dodge Rating is available on a gem as a +20 gem, this is budget-equivalent to two gem slots, or 60 Stamina. Inscription offers a
40 Dodge advantage
(budget-equivalent to +60 Stamina).
Herbalism
offers
Lifeblood
. While a strong self-heal is useful in a variety of situations, it's pretty tough to line-up against the others for comparison. This one is just personal preference.
Mining
offers
Toughness
, a flat
60 Stamina advantage
.
Skinning offers
Master of Anatomy
, which is worth
40 Crit Rating
at max level. While it's hard to line this up in terms of "Stamina" value, it is budget-equivalent to 60 Stamina.
Tailoring
offers Tailor-only Cloak enchants. They are quite strong, but I have no idea how to value them. There is no tanking one offered, but the
Melee one
increases AP by 400 for 15 seconds (apparently the uptime is ~25%, meaning this is "worth" 100 AP. This is actually budget-equivalent to 75 Stamina if true). It also offers flying carpets.
Enchanting
offers Ring Enchants, in terms of
Stamina
, this will grant a
60 Stamina advantage
,
Engineering
offers crazy
Glove enchants
,
Boot Enchant
, and
Headwear
. Again this one is difficult to line up side by side, but if you like the walls at TGI Friday's, Engineering could be for you.
==
So in many ways, the professions are relatively balanced. The trick is finding which one excels at doing the thing you want it to do. Assuming you already knew all this junk I just typed, I would say it's equally smart or smarter to go
LW / JC
.
EDIT
: Formatting
Post by
hashmel
BS/JC is indeed the best combo for a duelspecced druid to min/max both specs
if you were talking strictly bear JC/LW wins by 2 stam
for duelspec alch is also competative
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424717
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Post by
MegaVolt
All profession bonuses are equal (+- 2 stamina) anyway. Chose any 2 crafing ones, it totally doesn't matter (except inscription).
Blacksmithing is awesome for its lockpicks. Love them ;)
Post by
DrDrako
BS/JC was suggested to be the best combo for just about every class a while ago due to the two extra sockets, and dragon's eye gems, whether the recent changes have affected this, i'm not 100% sure of.
now yes, in terms of stamina, leatherworking and JC are the best way to go, but what if you need a little extra expertise? or.. agi? or hit?
or if you decide to go boomkin or resto and would like more spellpower, haste, crit, mp5, etc.
or you decide to pvp, and need some more resillience.
i recommend BS/JC above LW/JC because of the versatility it offers. But, it'll cost you a TON to get them up, particularly Blacksmithing.
Post by
Nehme
WoW! Thanks for the answers guys! I still havent decided what to go, but this was really helpful. tyvm!
Post by
hashmel
if money is/will be an issue i recommend starting with mining/BS once BS is maxxed or able to make substantial income to find its own mats you can farm up a stockpile or drop mining right then and pick up JC but as expenses go BS is the priciest so easier to get it out of the way with a crafting prof first
for pure tanking LW/JC
eng, alch, and BS are good for just about anything
JC should ALWAYS be included if you intend to min/max
Post by
427837
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Post by
Lightrain
BS/JC is best for any spec. You can stack more of any stat you want, therefore it's more versatile and better. I plan on going JC/BS as soon as I can on my feral(after grinding my paladin and getting bored of my warrior...).
Post by
Tweakr
Alchemy
offers
Mixology
... the most likely use for this argument is the increase from 1300 to 1620 in Flask of Stoneblood. This is underwhelming as a Bear tank, and works out to ~21.5 Stamina. It also offers an increased duration, but since thats simply a question of Gold, I don't think it's of any value in this discussion. Alchemy gives you a
~21.5 Stamina advantage
.
EDIT
: Formatting
Actually, you got the 320 health from an older post, it's 650 now because they increased the total to 1300 and it's just about a 50% modifier, 49% or 50, can't remember the actual number.
Anyways the life that a druid gains per stamina (with talents and kings) is 16.35315, making this equivalent to 39.74 Stamina (650/16.35315) . Not 21.5 as you suggest.
Post by
hashmel
bear stamina modifier
148.665% in
DB
with
IMotW
,
SotF
, and
HotW
1 stam=10 health
650 health=65 stam
65 / 1.48665 = 43.7224633
mixology is equal to having 43.7224633 stamina before bear modifiers
it's worth a larger amount to other classes depending on the class and spec, the smaller the stamina multiplier the greater the benefit from mixology in terms of tanking
Post by
MegaVolt
BS/JC is best for any spec. You can stack more of any stat you want, therefore it's more versatile and better. I plan on going JC/BS as soon as I can on my feral(after grinding my paladin and getting bored of my warrior...).
Not quite true. For casters the tailoring cloak enchant is superior to both. The problem is that the tailoring bonus is total crap for any feral spec.
Post by
Lightrain
BS/JC is best for any spec. You can stack more of any stat you want, therefore it's more versatile and better. I plan on going JC/BS as soon as I can on my feral(after grinding my paladin and getting bored of my warrior...).
Not quite true. For casters the tailoring cloak enchant is superior to both. The problem is that the tailoring bonus is total crap for any feral spec.
And what if you need to stack haste? Like a mage or warlock? Then the tailoring enchant is crap. BS/JC gives you the best of any spec unless you require either straight AP, stam, or SP. Any of those, and you are talking about 2-10 plus or minus, and if you choose to go with an off spec that doesn't require any of those, you're screwed. JC and BS are the only 2 professions that let you stack any stat, and because of this they are better than all others.
All others-AP, stam, spellpower.
JC or BS- AP, stam, SP, agility, strength, armor pen, parry, block, dodge, defense, haste, crit, spell pen, int, spirit, MP5(Am I missing anything?).
Now, if you can tell me how many classes use only AP, stam, or SP as gem stacking stats for all 3 trees, and how many classes can benefit at different gear levels with different stats, you will have your answer.
Post by
Heckler
Actually, you got the 320 health from an older post, it's 650 now because they increased the total to 1300 and it's just about a 50% modifier, 49% or 50, can't remember the actual number.
You're correct, I pulled it right off the comments page of Mixology and cross checked google, since as I said, I'm not a professions pro.
Anyways the life that a druid gains per stamina (with talents and kings) is 16.35315, making this equivalent to 39.74 Stamina (650/16.35315) . Not 21.5 as you suggest.
Well obviously my number will be off if my statement of 320 was wrong =D But you're correct, I forgot HotW, my 21.5 should have said ~19.6. Thank you for the corrections, I'm one step closer to my professions pro merit badge now.
EDIT
: I've always heard the quickest way to get accurate/valuable information in Trade chat is to Ask your question, then have someone you know immediately answer you
incorrectly
, but with confidence. All the pros who normally just flame people for asking questions pop up and flame the guy who answered wrong, and in the process they spout the right answer. It's pretty funny to watch.
Post by
MegaVolt
And what if you need to stack haste? Like a mage or warlock? Then the tailoring enchant is crap.
For mages and warlocks spellpower is still awesome and as far as I know haste only wins for one spec by a very, very small margin against spellpower.
Since the tailoring enchant offers quite a bit more spellpower then other professions it makes more then up for the lost haste and is still superior.
But we are in a Druid forum here. Druids want spellpower anyway and haste is of very limited use to us (since it is quite easy to get to the haste soft cap after which the stat isn't really great anymore). Trading a haste enchant for an awesome spellpower one is very good for Druid casters, both trees and moonkin. Too bad it doesn't do anything useful for ferals.
Post by
Aadramelekh
I would enforce BS + JC as profession combo as well. All of you people have been bashing your heads around '60 stamina', '62 stamina', '63 stamina'. But two sockets offer the possibility for any gem combination, for any stats desired. This flexibility is better than an extra 2 or 3 stamina that LW offers over 2 x 30 stamina gems.
Lightrain
and
DrDrako
are the only ones who got the clue:
BS/JC is best for any spec. You can stack more of any stat you want, therefore it's more versatile and better.
I recommend BS/JC above LW/JC because of the versatility it offers.
Sheesh...
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