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Betrayer or Betrayed?
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Koot
"I think Illidan r a prety cool gai"
Ive liked Illidan since I first saw him in Warcraft3 and have thought he was cool ever since. I think he's just misunderstood in some ways, and somewhere in between Betrayer and Betrayed.
Possibly he is the Betrayeder?
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Post by
Blackboy0
We all missed Uther =(
Illidan is both, really. He betrayed the Night Elves, and then (a bit) the Broken, and then he was betrayed by Tyrande and Malfurion after he started his sort of spiral.
Illidan is NOT my favorite character in lore. I think he's a bit of a loser is what i think, but I would stand up for him if ppl said that he wasn't betrayed.
Post by
Meltdown547
The main problem I have with Illidan is that, in the grand scale, he just never succeeded in anything. If you look over the list of his schemes, he's only ever accomplished one: Killing Tichondrius, which could almost be considered a failure as he was exiled (again) five minutes after it.
He's built up as some supreme force in Warcraft that I just don't see him as. A list of his deeds:
-Joining the Legion in the War of the Ancients to free Tyrande and save the elves - Had his eyes burned out, Gave the Demon Soul directly to the Legion, and nearly doomed the planet when he couldn't stop them single handedly.
-Making a second Well of Eternity to prepare for the Burning Legion - Immedietely caught before he could finish and imprisoned for 10,000 years.
-Raising the Naga and stealing the Eye of Sargeras to destroy the Lich King - Deaths of countless numbers of elves and humans he was "saving", Naga became a new world problem, and being thwarted by Malfurion again.
-Hiding in Outland from the Legion - First captured by Maiev, then found by Kil'jaeden minutes after becoming "Lord" of Outland.
-Stopping Arthas from becoming the Lich King - Taken down with one hit by Arthas.
-Hiding (again) in Outland from the Legion - Seriously? Did he think he could hide somewhere where Kil'jaeden already knew he was? Not to mention in all of Outland he really didn't do anything, he was just hiding in Black Temple while his generals and army seemed to operate by themselves.
I think he could've done with a redemption story with Malfurion, considering evil just doesn't seem to be his thing.
Post by
Haxzor
Raising the Naga
how is that a failure at all? They are one of THE most dominant races in Azeroth and Outlands.
GREAT SUCCESS
Post by
Meltdown547
I meant a failure in the sense of his plan was to essentially "save the world" from the Lich King, and they were only a tool to do that. He didn't end up doing that, and instead we got Naga coming up from under the Maelestrom waging war against anything that lives.
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Haxzor
He only failed cos of the stupid Night Elves
Post by
Morec0
Definately the Betrayed.
In the only WC3: Reign of Chaos lvl that u play with him he sells his soul by claiming the Skull of Gul'dan to kill Tichondrius (spelling), and giving Felwood a chance to heal. But Malfurion banishs him!
Illidan: "... the forests will heal in time..."
Malfurion: "At the cost of your soul! You are no brother of mine..."
Its messed up!
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Meltdown547
....Malfurion btw,was just the bad brother.
I wouldn't consider Malfurion a bad brother, he's given him chances before, they just always ended badly for him. He spared his life after he initially betrayed the Night Elves and created the second Well of Eternity, everyone else involved with the sentencing was ready to execute him. He allowed Tyrande to free him and gave him a base to command, and he allowed him to leave without punishment after he helped him rescue Tyrande.
They both (at the start, atleast) were concerned for defending the Night Elves against future attacks by the Legion (Which did happen, just as Illidan suspected) Illidan's methods were just too far away from the druidic nature that Malfurion had mastered to allow him to agree to work with Illidan, or allow him to use them to help the Night Elves. Such reckless use of that manner of magic did lead to the first invasion of the Legion.
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Haxzor
If you read the lore about the War of the Ancients, then you know he actually is a betrayer. I think he deserved being in prison for all eternity, and it was a bad thing that Tyrande released him. On the other hand, in Warcraft III...
Malfurion left Illidan because without Illidan,Tyrande would surely be dead and because Illidan explained the reasons he used the Eye of Sargeras,which were noble.
First of all, Illidan is the bad brother. Period. And if Tyrande didn't release Illidan, then Illidan wouldn't have summoned the Naga, and she wouldn't have fallen into the water, and she wouldn't have become trapped by Naga.
Edit: Oh yeah, Illidan summoned the Naga by the way.
Did you play the campaign?
She got trapped by the Scourge, the Naga Saved her
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Meltdown547
If you read the lore about the War of the Ancients, then you know he actually is a betrayer. I think he deserved being in prison for all eternity, and it was a bad thing that Tyrande released him. On the other hand, in Warcraft III...
Malfurion left Illidan because without Illidan,Tyrande would surely be dead and because Illidan explained the reasons he used the Eye of Sargeras,which were noble.
First of all, Illidan is the bad brother. Period. And if Tyrande didn't release Illidan, then Illidan wouldn't have summoned the Naga, and she wouldn't have fallen into the water, and she wouldn't have become trapped by Naga.
Edit: Oh yeah, Illidan summoned the Naga by the way.
Did you play the campaign?
She got trapped by the Scourge, the Naga Saved her
If we're following the "Who Caused it" line, it should be noted they were only in Eastern Kingdoms in the first place because they were tracking Illidan.
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Morec0
If you read the lore about the War of the Ancients, then you know he actually is a betrayer. I think he deserved being in prison for all eternity, and it was a bad thing that Tyrande released him. On the other hand, in Warcraft III...
Malfurion left Illidan because without Illidan,Tyrande would surely be dead and because Illidan explained the reasons he used the Eye of Sargeras,which were noble.
First of all, Illidan is the bad brother. Period. And if Tyrande didn't release Illidan, then Illidan wouldn't have summoned the Naga, and she wouldn't have fallen into the water, and she wouldn't have become trapped by Naga.
Edit: Oh yeah, Illidan summoned the Naga by the way.
Did you play the campaign?
She got trapped by the Scourge, the Naga Saved her
If we're following the "Who Caused it" line, it should be noted they were only in Eastern Kingdoms in the first place because they were tracking Illidan.
Let's just blame Miave the Stalker.
Post by
Tahoma
Illidan is the betrayer. If he was ever betrayed, he was betrayed only by himself. What I mean is , around the sundering he betrayed the night elves and "swore" allegiance to Azshara.
No one else betrayded him except his very own expectations. He expected that his uber power towards arcane magic would impress Tyrande. . .that didnt happen. He expected that he will show that he is not a thief, or a bad person and that he is still loyal to the night elves (in wc3 roc) but instead , by consuming demonic energies he went the path which leaded further from the NE society / culture.
He created the 2nd Well of Eternity thinking he will be than known as a hero, however again, his own expectations betrayed him.
Illidan is a victim of his own visions, of his own dreams. He always managed to get the job done but never in a manner that wouldnt affect his closest friends like Tyrande or Malfurion. When he saved Tyrade he actually didnt expect anything in return, thus he wasn't betrayed by his own expectations again. That is my interpretation of this matter.
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