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Are Shockadins REALLY dead?
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Nazeka
Why would you want to do ~1k dps instead of over double that?
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155914
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Nazeka
I see absolutely no reason to gimp myself or my raid by using a spec that deals not even half of what I can do in Ret OR Tanking.
My RL doesn't send raid invites to people who do this kind of thing, and I agree with him
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Post by
Thomasmo
Unless you have used this spec yourself Nazeka, and seen the dps yourself you can't say anything. It might be on par with ret dps. Besides WoW isn't all about raiding and getting gear, it can be fun to.
If he did 1K Dps without the spec in reg holy, speccing for damage might increase it dramatically, and the better the gear the better the dps.
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Nazeka
I see I misread what you initially said, thought that you did 1k dps with THAT spec. My apologies.
Assuming my gear:
HS will hit for 2.4k every 5 seconds
Judgement for 1k every 8 seconds
melee swings for ~150 every 1.6 seconds
Seal of Vengeance ticking for ~500 every 3 seconds.
Shield slamming for 1k every 6 seconds,
Compared to:
3k Judgements every 8
Seal of the Martyr for 1k each hit
DS for 2k every 8 seconds
CS for 2.3k
RV ticking for 370
Melee for 1k or more every 3.16
All assuming nothing crits
I really can't mathematically see how this could possibly beat ret.
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Nazeka
You know what? I'm going to bust out some dailies and get some target dummy time in, with screenshots, and detailed explanations as to what I did and what Gear I used.
We'll see what happens.
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Nazeka
Buffs (ret): Seal of the Martyr, Talented BoM
Buffs (holy): Seal of Vengeance, Talented BoW
I used the usual FCFS for Ret, throwing in the occasional FoL to get my hp back up to keep going, stopped when both my life and my mana got too low and I felt that I had a good pool of info (~5 minutes of beating away)
For the Shockadin spec it was FCFS as well, priority was HS -> Exo -> Judgement -> Cons -> Shield Slam. I hit DP when it was on CD, and I went OOM after two minutes with DP on CD
Avenging Wrath was not used, nor were the ret trinket effects
Links:
Shockadin Spec
Shockadin DPS
Ret Spec
Ret DPS
Holy Gear:
Helm of Veiled Energies
Lattice Choker of Light
Ancient Dragon Spirit Cape
Firestrider Chestguard
Armbands of the Construct
Grieving Spellblade
Pulsing Spellshield
T7.5 Gloves (holy)
Girdle of the Warrior Magi
Leggings of the Protective Auras
Boots of Persistance
Annhylde's Ring
Renewal of Life
Egg of Mortal Essence (no procs of course)
Eye of the Broodmother (5stack proc at all times)
Holy Enchants+Gems:
167 int
195 SP
30 Crit
15 haste
Insightful Earthsiege mana procs
Ret Gear:
Emerald Boar
Sphere of red dragon's Blood
Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver
Bracers of Lost Sentiments
Tunic of the Lost Pack
Centrifuge Core Cloak
Shoulderplates of Bloodshed
Pendant of the Outcast Hero
Titan's Outlook
T7 Ret gloves
Flame Bathed Steel Girdle
Staggering Legplates
Death Inured Sabatons
Band of Frosted Thorns
Bjarngrim Family Signet
Ret Enchants and Gems:
16 agi
131 strength
50 AP
20 Crit
TLDR:
Shockadins are dead, don't even try
Post by
Nazeka
But assuming your gear doesn't mean one set is as good as another, nor that your math may be correct given that you may or may not have tried out this spec. and adding in exorcism affected by spell power goes slightly more in favor of holy.
Ret was doing 2.4k per Exorcism
Holy was doing 2.0k per Exorcism
Ret double dipping into SP ftw
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Nazeka
New topic:
Which is worse, the guy who wants to bring back Shockadins or the guy who's so hellbent on proving him wrong he delays epic flight for his alt by 250g to prove him wrong?
Post by
00bender00
I tried a damaging shockadin spec on PTR.
Not on my paladin, on the premade one. I didnt had a full set of holy pvp gear at the time so i used the provided deadly set that wasnt bad by any mean. Some good PvE piece and PvE 1h (Lollipop).
The damage wasnt pathetic by any mean, the burst is ok-ish, probably a healing spec capable of soloing dps faster... But nothing that can really kill quick or do sustained raid dps.
Spellpower just doesnt scale our stuff enough, and blizzard seems to have no intention to bring our healing specs damage in line with, lets say, priests.
So, if you play a team with strong CC like rogue or/and lock or mage, shockadin is ok to contribute the damage without losing mana (JoTw). But it starts and ends with some arena comps or random BG PvP, that's it.
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Nazeka
Damn it, a Consecrate tick must have hit the boss after I ran off, and I left it on Current fight
the dps on Shockadin was 1450
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