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Honestly, I just use Blizzard for AoE (when 3 or more mobs), and I still get close to pulling aggro. With 6% extra haste, Blizz hits fast and hard. Add in IV, and you're gonna pull aggro.
I don't like using Flamestrike on every trash pull because of the cast time. I'm not always sure where the tanks are gonna be killing the mobs, so you have to wait for them to get into position, then start the cast. You lose way too much time with that since trash dies so friggin fast. POM Flamestrike works awesome, but it can only be used once every 2 mins.
Just my experiences.
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flamestrike is too shifty, but if you have PoM up, go for it. otherwise... blizzard is the way to go..
i think blizz needs to do something about arcane explosion.. it's the most useless aoe in the game.
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You should be spec'd Arc-Frost, and blizzard is your AoE of choice.
I discuss this in more depth in the "What Spec for Heroics?" thread.
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i start casting flamestrike were i think the tank will stay, if he does not stop there i stop casting and use blizzard insted, if he stands right on top of were i started casting flamestrike i use blizzard, and after the first blizzard and the mobs are still alive i use pom firestrike again
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You would think with the arcane talent buffs to all arcane spells that AE would be more dps. Im only lv60 atm so I am just looking at the max rank spells and comparing them. Has anyone tried using AE on trash lately or is it too mana intensive/dangerous?
arcane explosion is great dps... but it's also a great way to die fast.
think of it this way.. you do 5 AE's or more in the time it would take you to channel a blizzard. Those 5 AEs will pull aggro, but since you're in the middle of everyone, the tanks don't notice and you get eaten since the mobs that aggroed don't have to go very for for a squishy snack..
Also, there are quite a few trash pulls in naxx that do an AOE on a regular basis anyway, and the last place you want to be is in the midst of the melee groups like some common rogue.
AE does have it's uses.. When auriya is doing the insect swarm (or whatever the hell it's called), fire one or two off and watch them drop. It kills your mana a bit, but it does wonders for your dps and keeps someone from getting their face ripped off by bugs.
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You should be spec'd Arc-Frost, and blizzard is your AoE of choice.
You actually recommend a dual spec so you can increase DPS a bit on trash? /facepalm... Trash is not important. Specing for it is a complete waste unless you need bragging rights on who did the most DPS on trash.
He wasn't suggesting a dual spec at all, by Arc-Frost he means a 18/0/53 build with points in Arcane and Frost; which is the spec of choice for Heroics given the control you will have.
Shield + Incredible Mana Efficiency + Insane Burst = Win.
My build for Heroics was actually a 53/3/15, and I recommend it because I don't think one can do more damage with the Frost-Arc spec in Heroics (although that is an excellent spec for Heroics). I discuss that in more depth here:
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=104876&p=1192636
But yeah, thanks for explaining I wasn't recommending a dual spec for trash alone; I did modify the typical Arc dominant spec for raids by shifting points for no other reason than to increase damage on trash (they account for a huge portion of the damage in Heroics). The insight in that lies in the fact that Heroics don't require much hit, so you can benefit from Arc's massive single target damage and still spec enough points into AoE damage that you don't lose ground to the more Frost dominant spec on trash. Like I mention in that thread, I did 3.5k Overall Damage in Violet Hold with a gear rating in the 1900-2000 range. Several of the pieces of gear I were wearing were for PvP (Titan-Forged Raiment of Salvation, for example). My party was pretty leet, and included a Shaman and Boomkin.
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Arcane got reduced cooldown timers on mirror images and invisibility. Using these, you can pull a DPS stunt every other pack. The knight wing is just blizzard, though.
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You would think with the arcane talent buffs to all arcane spells that AE would be more dps. Im only lv60 atm so I am just looking at the max rank spells and comparing them. Has anyone tried using AE on trash lately or is it too mana intensive/dangerous?
arcane explosion is great dps... but it's also a great way to die fast.
think of it this way.. you do 5 AE's or more in the time it would take you to channel a blizzard. Those 5 AEs will pull aggro, but since you're in the middle of everyone, the tanks don't notice and you get eaten since the mobs that aggroed don't have to go very for for a squishy snack..
Also, there are quite a few trash pulls in naxx that do an AOE on a regular basis anyway, and the last place you want to be is in the midst of the melee groups like some common rogue.
AE does have it's uses.. When auriya is doing the insect swarm (or whatever the hell it's called), fire one or two off and watch them drop. It kills your mana a bit, but it does wonders for your dps and keeps someone from getting their face ripped off by bugs.
I would add that AE is not used is because of the DPS, and not because of the threat generated.
With 40% threat reduction, you will not be pulling threat, even if you're in melee range. Unless of course, your tank's new, or if he hasn't gotten the concept of AOE tanking.
The problem with AE is it's damage cap. It used to have a higher damage cap than any other AOE spell we had, making it the best AOE spell we had. Then the expansion came, and increased every other spells cap as well. That, and including Blizzard's larger radius and crit damage made it the best AOE spell currently.
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