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Post by
Adamsm
Was looking around on Wowwiki, and the article of the day was about Zul'aman, so I started to read and when I saw something interesting, I'd click a link and eventually I found this page, which made me raise an eyebrow.
Ula-Tek
the god like being the Trolls of the Zul'aman are trying to summon to help them take back their homelands. Her page is actually quite interesting, with references to her being some relation to Hakkar, or even an Old God itself.
Would completely destroy the pentagram theroy that was circling for a while a few weeks ago but it could explain a few things; if "her", and I only use her because of what it says on the page, influence was like Yogg's, stretching out across northern Azeroth, she might have been the "sense of evil and darkness" that the Elves discovered in Trisfal Glades.
Of course it could also be she is merely an avatar of the Old Gods like Hakkar, but even so, that might show another connection: One in Darkshore(the dead one), one in Silithus (C'thun living imparied), Yogg-saron in Northrend (living impaired), her in Zul'Aman/Trisfal area and Hakkar in Stranglethorn which might have a connecting Old God somewhere nearby.
As you know, I'm against the idea that an Old God is imprisoned in the Maelstorm just because that was where the Well of Eternity was orginally, and why in the world would you imprison a Being of Infinite Death and Destruction below the largest source of Pure Magic the world has ever seen.
And this is for Skreeran, cause we all know he would look at it eventually: The name "Ula-Tek" could be a reversal of the name Cthulhu (oo-lah-tek/uh-luh-tc).
Post by
Queggy
As you know, I'm against the idea that an Old God is imprisoned in the Maelstorm just because that was where the Well of Eternity was orginally, and why in the world would you imprison a Being of Infinite Death and Destruction below the largest source of Pure Magic the world has ever seen.
Remember in the Well of Eternity Trilogy by Richard A. Knaak, it was talking about how Nozdormu was flying of the Well of Eternity thingy-m-jig when he was attacked by the beasts inside it and who were more powerful than him and they were the ones that were whispering? Or how they were whispering to the people and causing all the trouble because they were imprisoned inside the Well and wanted to be set free? And what better place to imprison them than something so pure and powerful that it could counter their evil, strong taint?
Post by
Adamsm
I don't think they were there phyiscally though, otherwise what was to stop them from just crawling out of the Well? Why go through all the trouble of corrupting the Earth Warder, then using him to destroy armys of both the Night Elf, Dragons and Legion. They tried to use the Legion portal that the Highborne were opening to escape their prisons, but again I really don't think one of them were below the Well, after all the roots of a World Tree entered into Yogg's prison, that was how he was able to corrupt the furbolg people in Grizzly Hills.
As for the thing that attacked Nozdormu, weren't those "spirit" things as it spoke of him trying to cut them but his attacks just passed through, forcing him to use up his energy to escape, which in turn left him weak for the Old Gods to toss him in the Time Vortex, where he was forced to hold all of Eternity together, while he sent Krasus, Rhonin and Brox back in time to fix what they had done.
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325248
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Post by
Adamsm
Hey, I haven't read Every RPG book, or Every single page of Wowwiki. I know my lore from ingame, and the books, I hope eventually I will aquire everything there is to know on wowwiki, but until that point, if I find something new, even if it is new to me, I will share it.
Besides, after this little post of yours in Cataclym lovechia, forgive me if I don't bow to your own "knowledge" of Lore:
I think jaina as the new council of tirisfal would be much better i would love the story being like Aegwynn being in her deathbed, and upon dying the last she does is making Jaina the new Guardian of Tirisfal
Seeing as you don't seem to realize that Aegwynn only has about 10% of her powers left after spending most of it to free Medivh's soul so he could be reborn. She is weaker magically then Jaina is now, and if the power of the Guardian's is still in existence, and wasn't destroyed when Medvih/Sargeras was, it would be inside of Med'an as he is the son of the Last Guardian.
But anyways that is off topic, so if you don't have anything good to say about the idea of the Old God lovechia, so be it.
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325248
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Post by
Adamsm
i never said that Aegwynn is as powerful as she was one time ago, i only would like to see Jaina becoming the new Guardian of Tirisfal and i like the story of aegwynn becoming very ill and eventually giving Jaina this title at her deathbed i only like that whole idea
Last post on this, then it's back to the Old God stuff. Techinically anyone can call themselves the "Guardian of Trisfal", but without the power to back it up, it means nothing. Heck you could have a level one gnome rogue zooming around in Goldshire shouting "I am the Guardian, I am the Guardian!" doesn't make it true. Yes she "could" say it, but she wouldn't because it would be a lie and completely against the point of the Guardians.
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325248
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Post by
Adamsm
/Sigh, I like how you ignore what you don't want to hear. All I said there was simply this; Without the Actual Power of the Guardians, which again, is either missing or currently inside of Med'an, Aegwynn could say Jaina is the guardian, but still wouldn't make it true. I'd like to see Jiana go up against the Avatar of Sargeras as she is now, no doubt she would get obliterated, Aegwynn only survived because of her powers, and even then Sargeras still won. I know they are forming the new council, and I know Jaina, Aegwynn and Maarad are part of it, no doubt in the upcoming issues we will see them figure out what happened to the power of the Guardians, which will be placed into the new chosen.
Also, there's post 3000 heh.
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325248
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Post by
BuryYourDead
I think its an Avatar of an old god. If she is though, then i think we should have had to fight her after Zul'jin.
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325248
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Post by
Adamsm
We've already kicked Zul'jin's butt though, I'm hoping they eventually open up all of Zul'aman, not just the little part that Zul'jin had taken over. And if is she an avatar of the Old Gods, like Hakkar, should make for interesting new fights up there. Kinda lame that for all the lore around the Forest trolls, all they got was one 10 man raid that people only used to go to get bear mounts.
Post by
Skreeran
And all i said is that there is no actual powers of the Guardians needed for Aegwynn to make Jaina the next Guardian of Tirisfal
and i didnt even necessarily mean that with Aegwynn saying it, Jaina suddenly becomes 1000 times more powerfulWithout the power, what would the title mean? What is she "Guardian" of? She can't be Guardian of Tirisfal without the power to back it up, no matter what anyone says.
It's like the President of the U.S. passing his title as president to his son.
No, it doesn't actually count.
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325248
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Post by
Adamsm
Until Med'an or whoever actually has the power of the Guardian shows up, laughs at her, blows her apart and takes what's rightfully theres. Just because all this Cataclyms crap is out there, doesn't mean all the standard lore stuff goes out the window for every random and wild thought the players have.
Also, SomethingAwful has confirmed that the "leak" was a load of horse droppings.
Post by
Skreeran
An unnamed source already confirmed that it was all crap.
CwutIdidthar
Post by
Adamsm
Anyways.......
So, Hakkar and Ula-tek, if they are related in some manner, ie both Avatars of the Old Gods, you have to wonder which is actually worse? Hakkar is the Blood Drinker after all, but the Amani Troll's are thinking they can use Ula-tek to help them regan there forests. Wish we could actually see some of the Azeroth God fight.
Post by
Skreeran
Yog-Sothoth could pwn both of them...
But yeah, I'd like to see Ula-tek in WoW.
Post by
Septimus
NOT A NECRO AS IT REMAINS RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC
I disagree with the Theory that Ula-Tek is an Old God. I do agree with the Hakkar like being though, here are my reasons:
So far all the Old Gods have been blob-like things with tentacles. Does a Serpent sound like it could be related to that...not really.
If the elves left Tirisfal Glades because of the evil, why would they trek closer to its source?
Hakkar is referred to as "old, old god" in the quest
Screecher Spirits
, but is he actually and Old God...no.
Those are my points against the Old God theory, but I can believe the Mother-of-Hakkar theory.
On another interesting note that is slightly related:
If the Wind Serpents are the children of Hakkar and Al'Akir can take the from of one, does that mean Hakkar possibly has some sort of relation (other than Old Gods) to the Elemental Lord of Air?
And if so, could Ula-Tek have a relation with a different Elemental Lord?
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