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A thought just occured to me regarding Sargeras...
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Post by
Skreeran
Well, he's eaten millions of worlds already. If he wasn't that great, wouldn't he have been stopped by now? Surely someone, somewhere along the line would have been as powerful or as prepared (in the case of the Guardian being used as a focus for so much power) as Aegwynn?
I still think Sargeras is the most powerful thing Azeroth has ever seen. Much more so than any mortal guardian.
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Post by
ArgentSun
:(
If Sargeras was silly enough to roam the Twisting Nether by himself, sure, he would be not only defeated, but killed at some point of time. The fact that he has, oh, I don't know, few hundred thousand demons hanging around with him probably makes it hard for any being to even get
close
to him. Broxxigar was an exception, because he entered Sargeras' realm through a portal Sargeras himself was about to try to use, which meant that Brox "spawned" very close to the Fallen One. Which would not be the case during a direct attack on any world.
You also have to keep in mind that Sargeras tends to avoid fights when he can. He would rather corrupt the possible strong opponents and make them his lieutenants (as was the case with Archimonde and Kil'jaeden), than face them in an open battle.
Post by
Skreeran
I disagree. If Aegwynn actually beat him when he was at full power, the Naaru, who are even more powerful than Aegwynn, should have no trouble blowing him out of existance, perhaps even before he recruited the Eredar.
Every indication of his power that we've seen so far is that he's incredibly incredibly powerful. Archimonde, who was more powerful than Malfurion, Thrall and Jaina, and their combined forces, is said to be as a flea to Sargeras. Your theory that he wasn't bluffing to take posession of Aegwynn's child is not provable, as we cannot see what took place in Sargeras' mind, and thus, I respectfully disagree. ;)
Edit: Replaced "Jaina" there with "Aegwynn" who is the person I meant.
Post by
ArgentSun
Okay, I am willing to agree on the second part.
The Last Guardian
depicts Sargeras was absolutely afraid and in panic of what Aegwynn was doing to him. I can admit that he was feigning it, to enforce sense of security in her.
But I am going to continue arguing that Sargeras is powerful not because he is a single being of unimaginable power, but because he has his legions close to him at all times, and because he is a master deceiver. Both the Titans and the Naaru (the latter - much later) realized about Sargeras' betrayal long after he had started gathering demonic armies. So it was kind of a little too late to stop him. Right now his opponents need to rely on surprise and good opportunity a lot more than on raw force and a champion of insane power.
Post by
Adamsm
Aegwynn was able to defeat him - and trust me, it may look like he had designed the whole "I let you destroy my mortal body, so I can infest your very cells" thing, but in reality he was really surprised and really scared to be losing a battle against a mortal. In fact, the transfer of bodies was kind of his last minute plan.Look at what happened at the end of the Last Guardian, Sargeras was so convinced that because he was in the body of the Guardian, with the powers of both Medivh and Agewynn, he was invinicble.... till Lothar shoved a sword through his back and killed him. I think the reason we don't see Sargeras much right now is he's trying to figure out a way to make sure that never happens again; he's "died" twice now, I really doubt he wants to go down a third time.... possibly for good.
Yes, Sargeras is a near immortal Titan powerhouse..... but he's still able to be hurt and die, it's like the idea of the Dragon Aspects; we see them as Gods(because of their power and lifespans), but they are failable and can be killed (even if it's for a stupid reason like poor Malygos).
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Patty
Medivh's death was merely a setback!
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Post by
ArgentSun
Yea... I kind of doubt that. One of the Pantheon's high priority task is chasing the Legion through the Twisting Nether and exterminating its members. Granted, it reduces the demons' numbers, but the Legion is far from beaten. If the Titans themselves (which means not only their leaders in the Pantheon, but all of the Titans) can't manage to destroy Sargeras' army, I doubt a single planet - albeit one that is a beacon a power - stands a chance. After all, we've had a couple wars against the vanguard of the Legion (the War of the Ancients, Archimonde's invasion), and both ended up causing great damage to the mortal races. Let me emphasize on something - the
vanguard
of the Legion. The forces the commanders had sent to secure the passage of the rest. Maybe between 1% and 5% of their numbers - not counting the most powerful demon lords, who were forced to sit in the Nether, because Azeroth could not sustain them without a long preparation.
Post by
Arkham
There is a concept of WoW about mortality - and immortality. All beings are very mortal. There are no Gods. The Titans - Sargeras included - can die just as easily as any other being in the world, as long as they are facing an opponent of equal strength.That is mostly correct, although it bears mentioning that there is some indication that the Old Gods have something akin to immortality where, while they can be killed, their "deaths" are not permanent.
Post by
Adamsm
That is mostly correct, although it bears mentioning that there is some indication that the Old Gods have something akin to immortality where, while they can be killed, their "deaths" are not permanent.
Not immortality as such.... more we kill the old gods, they blow up the world with their death throws.
Post by
ArgentSun
Well, that is not confirmed. It is entirely possible that the Old Gods can never die. It is also possible that they can "die" temporarily - and be restored to life by powerful energies later on. And it is also possible that they might be as mortal as any other race - or almost.
We just lack data.
Post by
Adamsm
It is also possible that they can "die" temporarily - and be restored to life by powerful energies later on.AKA; the current run of the comics, with the 'prophecy' which is either about Cataclysm or Med'an being the power source for C'thun's ressurrection?
Post by
ArgentSun
Aye, something like that. However I wouldn't refer to the comics, as to not spoil them for some people :)
Post by
Patty
It is also possible that they can "die" temporarily - and be restored to life by powerful energies later on.AKA; the current run of the comics, with the 'prophecy' which is either about Cataclysm or Med'an being the power source for C'thun's ressurrection?
Please let that mean he dies!
Post by
Adamsm
Please let that mean he dies!Heh.
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