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DnD- All dk's have this?
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tomgc
You can tell a good tank from an ok one because the good one will start a pull with DnD just to keep the group safe. Certain Frost builds may chose to pull with Howling Blast, but the rest should do it with DnD, unless the cooldown is up.
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asakawa
i tank as frost and i open with:
DnD > HB > BB > BT > BB for AoE groups.
Post by
Wildhorn
DnD is not required. It is very possible to hold agro on multiple mobs without it.
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Infleto
How to AoE tank as Unholy
Drop DnD were you want to tank. tell dps to give you 3 sec before they go pew pew.
Body pull mobs back to DnD then,
PS > IT > Pest > UB > BB >
SS-tab > DC-tab > BB > SS - tab > DC-tab > BB > SS-tab >
DC-tab > PS > IT > Pest-tab > SS-tab > UB > BB
you get the ideal
you should never have to DG or DarkC. As long as Pest goes up, they can AoE Pew Pew their heart out.
Post by
asakawa
tell dps to give you 3 sec before they go pew pew.
if no other reason were needed, that's why i would never tank as UH.
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Infleto
if no other reason were needed, that's why i would never tank as UH.
I am level 63 PUGing with level 67 pally healer. Most of are DPS are level 63 to 66. With that level difference, DPS has to give me 3sec to get a lead in threat. It takes me 3sec to kite the mobs to where I want to tank then start to stack the AoE dots on them. My 3 sec rule is for trigger happy, over geared and, over leveled DPS. I have had Mages BW as soon as I body pull. >.<
I am rather new to taking and will undoubtedly mess up my AoE TPS rotation like forgetting to use tab targeting. a few sec of DnD will make sure that even if I do mess up my rotation I will still have a threat lead.
I do not know how it is in the end game with DK tanks.
But on my rouge I have to wait until my warrior hits every last mob before I FoN or Killing Spree. So you still have to wait before going pew pew
Unholy DK Tanks may be bad end game. Or, Unholy tanking may not fit your play style and you simply can not pull it off. I am the same way with Destro locks . It just dose not work for me. I pull much better numbers with a demo Meta spec.
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anywherenotes
I believe the cooldown is about 25 seconds.
If tank is pulling mobs quickly he/she won't have it up for every pull.
I finally gave up and spent some points so that cooldown is now at 15 seconds.
Frost tanks can definitely use howling blast instead, but I use both, I drop it so one end of it is touching a mob - it pulls, than I ran at them, and howling blast. At that point mages can start aoe, essentially as soon as they get to mobs they can go crazy. I just keep howling blasting every time it's up, after that point. blood boil is ok too.
I believe druids pull a lot of agro healing, I'm leveling one now ... he's at 65 :)
As a healer, you can ask for D&D on every pull, you can also ask them to do Blood Boil(
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=49941
), the only other thing is to run to tank every time you get agro so he can pull off you, or maybe he'll use some aoe and mob will go to him.
But I can see where it would get frustrating if every pull you get agro. You may want to just give up on the run if it happens on every pull, and tank isn't doing anything to improve.
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Post by
asakawa
to address the original question if any healer is getting hit that IS the tank's fault. you job as the healer isn't to worry about how they keep the mobs from hitting you (ie. DnD works very well but that's not to say that it's the only way to tank) just that they do. if they can't manage to do this very simple part of tanking then they've really fallen at the first hurdle and need to go back to tank school.
infleto, it sounds like you're having to jump through hoops (colloquial phrase = go to great lengths) to get and keep agro. i would strongly suggest that you try frost. initial agro is easier. single target agro is easier. aoe agro is just as strong. avoidance and mitigation is better.
if you haven't already, try it.
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Infleto
to address the original question if any healer is getting hit that IS the tank's fault. you job as the healer isn't to worry about how they keep the mobs from hitting you (ie. DnD works very well but that's not to say that it's the only way to tank) just that they do. if they can't manage to do this very simple part of tanking then they've really fallen at the first hurdle and need to go back to tank school.
infleto, it sounds like you're having to jump through hoops (colloquial phrase = go to great lengths) to get and keep agro. i would strongly suggest that you try frost. initial agro is easier. single target agro is easier. aoe agro is just as strong. avoidance and mitigation is better.
if you haven't already, try it.
Yes I am! but onece I have that aoe threat up I can go AFK and still keep aggro. I will make a different thread so I am not stilling the OP's
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DerrHans
tell dps to give you 3 sec before they go pew pew.
if no other reason were needed, that's why i would never tank as UH.
Well, UH is DnD and DG ranged into it, i never have to say. Wait 3 sec's before pew pew i wait 2 sec's meself and DG the skull, and nobody complains.
If DPS targets the skull than no Aggro problems at all and DPS can AoE all they want i wont lose aggro with UB up.
If DPS target the cross instead of skull and get aggro, well Good Luck tanking it after 3 warnings i won't taunt.
AoE starting out with > Horn of winter (Rune Power) / DnD / DG / IT / PS / Pest / UB / SS / SS / BB / BB > Target Cross > DC / Pest / BB / SS / SS / UB > Back to Skull till dead, no aggro problem at all and using this i overaggro the MT (non DK) on trash not that thats a real problem.
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Infleto
But on my
*rogue*
I have to wait until my warrior hits every last mob before I FoN or Killing Spree. So you still have to wait before going pew pew
No offense, but if you are waiting for your tank to hit every mob before FoK'ing, you're doing it wrong. Tricks of the Trade the tank, FoK x2, KsP..... FoK until your finger bleeds.
30sec cool down.
You tell your tank "no, don't pull yet. Tricks of the Trade sitll has 8sec on its CD"
but that is off topic
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