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Elemental Shamans need to stack!
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Post by
runtodarkness
I have an 80 tauren shaman (yeah, i really SHOULD have rolled an orc for the spell power buff), and my friend has a draenei. He's enhance, and I'm elemental... and we always fight over who's better. Every time we see eachother in world PvP or something, we manage to somehow kill eachother at the same time, but here is the greater problem:
I tested this once, and with totems down, against a raid boss target dummy
-he gets 2.6k dps alone
-I get 2.7k dps alone
The problem with this? In raids, he gets around 4k dps, and i get around 3.3k dps. What i've noticed is that elemental shamans don't stack like every other caster in the game from some form of stat. Boomkins, priests, holy paladins, resto shamans, mages, warlocks, they ALL get spell power from spirit or intellect. if you look at it, ENHANCEMENT even gets spell power from int (via spell power from attack power, and attack power from int).
Basically all my spell power is coming from my gear, that fish some guy laid down, and a warlock proc... plus my handy dandy weapon buff. Beyond that, I pretty much stand alone in raids.
I WANT TO STACK!
Post by
Achloryn
having an 80 mage, i can say that for certain that the only mages who get SP from intellect are the ones who are arcane.. it is a talent called
Mind Mastery
. Any other properly specced raiding mage, intel does nothing for their SP. Also, mages don't get SP from spirit, they get crit rating.. and it's a ridiculously low amount of crit from spirit. (1 point is like .01% chance to crit)
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Post by
Haxzor
Our real dps comes from the increase to everyone elses dps
Post by
Booterang
I have an 80 tauren shaman (yeah, i really SHOULD have rolled an orc for the spell power buff), and my friend has a draenei. He's enhance, and I'm elemental... and we always fight over who's better. Every time we see eachother in world PvP or something, we manage to somehow kill eachother at the same time, but here is the greater problem:
I tested this once, and with totems down, against a raid boss target dummy
-he gets 2.6k dps alone
-I get 2.7k dps alone
The problem with this? In raids, he gets around 4k dps, and i get around 3.3k dps. What i've noticed is that elemental shamans don't stack like every other caster in the game from some form of stat. Boomkins, priests, holy paladins, resto shamans, mages, warlocks, they ALL get spell power from spirit or intellect. if you look at it, ENHANCEMENT even gets spell power from int (via spell power from attack power, and attack power from int).
Basically all my spell power is coming from my gear, that fish some guy laid down, and a warlock proc... plus my handy dandy weapon buff. Beyond that, I pretty much stand alone in raids.
I WANT TO STACK!
I am an orc shaman, and I really wished i had rolled tauren for the 5% hp and warstomp. Considering i have 22.5k hp in arena gear atm, 5% more stamina would put me at 24k! Also, only enhance shamans fully use the Bloodfury racial that orc shamans possess, since it is a half spellpower, half attackpower on-use effect.
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Post by
Raleandris
considering i have 22.5k hp in arena gear atm, 5% more stamina would put me at 24k!
Not quite, that 5% bonus to hp is only to your
base
hp, not total.
Post by
Achloryn
Our real dps comes from the increase to everyone elses dps
yep, we are a supports class, nuttin more
thats true in the strictest sense, but i've seen plenty of shamans (ele and enh) that put out quite competetive DPS relative to other classes.
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Post by
exavious
Maybe you all will know... I'm getting my enhance set build, and from the raid dummy and all my totems down I can get to about 1700dps max right now. How much would that go up with a raid environment and everyone else buffing my up?
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Post by
runtodarkness
having an 80 mage, i can say that for certain that the only mages who get SP from intellect are the ones who are arcane.. it is a talent called
Mind Mastery
. Any other properly specced raiding mage, intel does nothing for their SP. Also, mages don't get SP from spirit, they get crit rating.. and it's a ridiculously low amount of crit from spirit. (1 point is like .01% chance to crit)
Actually I was referring to DPS classes as a mix, i know warlocks get spell power from spirit, and mages get it from int, droods get it from spirit, it's a mix... well, as your point says, arcane mages do, but fire and frost do not, so in that you're correct. I will also note that elemental shamans have no spell damage increasing talents at all, unless you account for the spell damage increase off of flametongue weapon that is placed in enhancement....
Also having seen the fire talent that increases your spell damage as a percent, I would probably suggest that flametongue weapon be changed to grant spell damage as a percentage of intellect. Seeing as elemental shamans already do decent DPS, taking away the base spell damage of flametongue weapon and giving it a percentage based effect would be a way to make the change in spell damage small yet still able to scale.
A flat percentage given in talents would either constitute a nerf on other parts, or it would not scale well if it was only say 1-3% of your intellect. Therefore, were flametongue to have no base amount, and a flat percentage off of intellect, that would solve the problem greatly.
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159643
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Post by
Haxzor
Our real dps comes from the increase to everyone elses dps
yep, we are a supports class, nuttin more
thats true in the strictest sense, but i've seen plenty of shamans (ele and enh) that put out quite competetive DPS relative to other classes.
I pull 3.5k alone, but with the dps increase I bring to everyone else that number might be more 4.3k
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Modibybob
Our real dps comes from the increase to everyone elses dps
This x 9000
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