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Post by
pezz
Hooray for RETLOL again!
A couple things I noticed in my perusing:
You recommend Glyph of Judgment for PvE. I'm pretty much 99% positive that Glyph of Seal of Truth is more DPS, especially since you can now easily reforge excess Expertise off of your gear.
Personally, I'd suggest at least one point in Act's of Sacrifice simply because having a snare removal with no cooldown is %^&*ing awesome, regardless what setting you are playing in. However whatever you do with them will not increase your DPS directly in any way.
While I agree, I don't see how Act of Sacrifice gives you that utility.
I would go more into detail about major glyphs. There's a lot of options now and which you use kind of depends on what you're doing. I also don't think Hammer of Wrath is really a valid option. Hammer of Wrath is 12% of base mana per HoW, and glyph of the Ascetic Crusader is 4% of base mana saved per CS. You definitely use CS more than three times as often in a fight than you do HoW.
Post by
Squishalot
Hammer of Wrath is 12% of base mana per HoW, and glyph of the Ascetic Crusader is 4% of base mana saved per CS. You definitely use CS more than three times as often in a fight than you do HoW.
That may be true, but there's no point if the mana savings for CS are at a point where you don't have huge mana drains. HoW is primarily used near the end of a fight, when your mana pool will be lower due to a) how long the fight has been; and b) higher mana cost abilities like HoW taking priority over lower mana cost abilities.
While I don't know precisely (I haven't done any Ret theorycrafting in ages), I'm just highlighting an example of where the HoW glyph might be better.
Post by
pezz
I haven't exactly done too much hugely strenuous content since the patch, but my mana usage doesn't seem to fluctuate like you said.
It makes sense though, and I'd have to look into it on a longer fight.
Post by
Squishalot
Heh, you know I don't raid, right? :) Just thought I'd contrive a scenario for you - don't know how realistic it'd be, but that's my primary argument against Ascetic Crusader. I actually think Ascetic Crusader is more a Prot glyph, to be honest.
Personally, I only ever picked up the HoW glyph for PvP, where I am likely to be in situations where I may run out of mana.
Post by
pezz
To counter-contrive a scenario (it's amazing what kinds of words hyphens let you make), the biggest issue I have with mana is any time the RNG on AoW and HoL procs hate me and I get down to cons a couple times in a spam of a couple minutes, and that can happen at any time in a fight, except at the end of a fight when HoW becomes available. Really, in PvE, by the time you have HoW ready in a fight, you aren't going to touch your cons button until the next boss, which means mana has really stopped being an issue.
Post by
mrgummage
While I agree, I don't see how Act of Sacrifice gives you that utility.
The statement about Act of Sacrifice is based on the current beta build, since I wrote the article with the intent of it being totally up to date as soon as 4.0.3 is launched... currently there is little difference between Guardian's Favor or Acts of Sacrifice, however getting used to the talent you are more likely to use later makes more sense.
Post by
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Post by
mrgummage
The site has been updated for Cataclysm 4.0.6, enjoy all!Not sure if I'm the only one experiencing this, but it seems your levelling guide is cut off in some way.
When I look at the page, the ending looks like this;
Level 50 - 59
At level 50 your second set of glyphs becomes available, this time I'd suggest Glyph of Judgement (Prime), Glyph of Hammer of Wrath (Major) and Glyp
And then that's the end of the page.
Not a biggie I guess, but would be nice if you could fix that (
if it's not just my browser or something. Firefox 3.6.12
).
All in all, a very nice guide that has helped me lots since I haven't played a pally since Burning Crusade.
Thank you!
I'm not experiencing this issue, does this always happen or did it only happen once? If it only happens rarely, you may have caught the page refresh during an upload, or your internet timed out.
Post by
Rawveggie
Your PvP section still references Seal of Command/Seal of Vengeance/Seal of Light.
Link
Just wanted to bring it to your attention. I can't seem to find a definitive Ret PvP build/guide for Cata. Here is hoping your PvP info is updated soon. :)
-Raw
Post by
mrgummage
Your PvP section still references Seal of Command/Seal of Vengeance/Seal of Light.
Link
Just wanted to bring it to your attention. I can't seem to find a definitive Ret PvP build/guide for Cata. Here is hoping your PvP info is updated soon. :)
-Raw
The PvP section still needs updating proper, just started PvPing again myself at level 85 so hopefully have a first sweep of that done for the patch 4.1.0 edition. :-)
Post by
seven77
mrgummage, thanks for this guide. i would like to try retri as offspec, but apparently i am too dumb to figure out a 'cookie-cutter' rotation since what you write seems a bit too complicated to me..... i'd try and dps during fights where there is a need for just one tank (Valiona, in BoT, for istance).
thanks for your help/replies.tips.
Post by
Azazel
mrgummage, thanks for this guide. i would like to try retri as offspec, but apparently i am too dumb to figure out a 'cookie-cutter' rotation since what you write seems a bit too complicated to me..... i'd try and dps during fights where there is a need for just one tank (Valiona, in BoT, for istance).
thanks for your help/replies.tips.
If it ain't already mentioned somewhere, just get the addon clcret. You won't have to think when using that.
Post by
seven77
that is very useful, thanks. will try it
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