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Will this raiding spec do?
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Post by
Sunderhorse
I used to play a warrior but I've been talked into my brother about going horde. I now play a horde warlock and am looking to get raiding real soon. So my question is is 54/2/15 a viable raiding spec? Here's the link to the spec.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IfxMbzMAoVAoIktbZE00V
Let me know your feedback and changes!
Post by
MegamanX400
Everything looks fine, except take those 2 points in healthstones and put them in Imp Felhunter or Demonic Power, depending on your pet preference.
If you are going to use a Succy, take out DP and put it some place else, either Catalysm or Fel Synergy since she's kinda weak.
Post by
Sunderhorse
Everything looks fine, except take those 2 points in healthstones and put them in Imp Felhunter or Demonic Power, depending on your pet preference.
If you are going to use a Succy, take out DP and put it some place else, either Catalysm or Fel Synergy since she's kinda weak.
I plan on using my imp or felhunter for mana regeneration for me. I can dark pact easily now and get a ton of my mana back, and I'd love to have that in raids. And I'll check that out for sure. Thanks!
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278544
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Post by
Sunderhorse
Here's my new spec:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IfxrbzMAoVA0IktZE00q
Let me know what you think!
Post by
asakawa
it's fine. shadowburn is rubbish though.
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278544
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Post by
asakawa
i don't really get these threads.
a sub optimal build is posted. the OP gets directed to the stickies. they comes back with a different sub optimal spec and say 'how about this one?'
the relative values of each talent point spent are debated in the stickies so after reading them you have a few choices:
1)use a cookie cutter spec
2)alter a cookie cutter, knowing that the cookie cutter is best but you have specific reasons to spec differently (raid wants imp HS etc.)
3)alter a cookie cutter or use a completely original build because you disagree with the values given to the talents in the cookie cutters.
if 1 or 2 then fine, no need to repost. if 3 then post your reasons for thinking the cookie cutter layout is wrong in the sticky thread. if you're right and the rest of us are wrong then the warlock community deserves to know what's best and why. again, though, no need to repost here.
now, there's a sneaky option number 4.
4)you didn't read the stickies and you're just reacting to the points of advice (all of them good) from jeremiahfira.
4 is bad. the stickies here (generally speaking) are well researched and well written. they bring everyone up to a bare minimum level of understanding which will allow reasoned and educated discussion to go on from that point. people who don't read stickies don't deserve to be helped.
(edit: this post is a direct result of insomnia >.<)
Post by
Spudnik
Actually, for progression raiding, the two points in Imp. Healthstones can sometimes be beneficial, on fights like Deconstructor (during the tandrum), Kologarn (eyebeams), Razorscale (Pits'o'Fire), etc.
Since the talent improves all you healthstones, including those from Soul Wells, that can be some nice emergency heals you can bring to the raid.
Post by
asakawa
but, like a lightwell, it relies on your raid being good about using them. some are, most aren't. getting raids to use the healthstones they have is far more important than spending talent points to improve them.
at the end of the day it's up to the raid/raidleader. it's not something that people should just put points in to be helpful. let the raidleader know it's an option but also let them know what you would be losing from your spec if you did it.
Post by
Sunderhorse
it's fine. shadowburn is rubbish though.
This ^
I'd put that shadowburn point into Cataclysm for slightly less mana usage.
The real reason I put it in is because it's an instant cast and if I use it at the right place at the right time, I could basically get a free 6k+ crit off it. That's my style of thinking, anyway.
Edit: @Asakawa: Why should I go using the exact same builds as everyone else is using? Should I jump off a cliff with them as well? I understand they have little to no kinks but if I copied another person's spec without seeing how I would use it with my own playstyle, I'd be a mindless drone then just following the same rotation everyone else uses.
Post by
byrel
Edit: @Asakawa: Why should I go using the exact same builds as everyone else is using?
the reason that there are a few preferred (cookie cutter) builds - most warlocks either use one of those or alter one slightly (and I mean very slightly - the max difference i see in the builds of the good locks i raid with is 4-5 talent points) - is that these specs pick up specific talents and then secondary talents that allow you to maximize what you can do in a specific playstyle
there has been an immense amount of work and debate that has gone in to the theorycraft and testing of each of these builds, and there is no real need to deviate from them by any large amount if you want an optimal spec
#1 reason warlocks get raid spots is to put out damage (thus this should be your top priority)
#2 is to debuff and add some raid utility if necessary (deep demo builds are probably best in this regard)
all the cookie cutter specs in the stickies are built with these two principles in mind (generally considered in that order)
Should I jump off a cliff with them as well? I understand they have little to no kinks but if I copied another person's spec without seeing how I would use it with my own playstyle, I'd be a mindless drone then just following the same rotation everyone else uses.
no, but opting for things like dark pact in a build show a fundamental lack of understanding with regard to what gives specific builds their power, as well as a lack of understanding of one of the core mechanics of the class (Life Tap, especially with the addition of the new life tap glyph)
as to being the mindless drone following the same rotation, the difference between good players and great players is understanding what is going on in the rotation, how to execute it best, and what to do in situations where you don't just stand in one spot and mash a sequence till the boss is dead
Read the stickies, understand the core mechanics of your class, and what the role of your class in a raid, and realize that deviating from the specs listed in the stickies makes your build sub-optimal - due to your specific raid needs, this might be a logical decision, but if you are doing that, be prepared to back it up with sound reasoning
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255906
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Post by
asakawa
You wouldn't go for the 2nd hottest chick, if you could get #1, only because other guys find her to be the hottest too. But you could have some kind of fettish for #2's smelly feet, and then you should go for her.
excellent analogy ^_^
deep demo has smelly feet but i love her <3
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as i said in my earlier grumble post, my little rant-let was very much fuelled by insomnia.
however, my point is that you're asking for advice and feedback but the advice and feedback will always be that your choices aren't optimal. what
is
optimal has been discussed and presented in stickies.
if you
have
read the stickies then you know which choices you're making that people will advise against and are making them anyway. either you have a specific reason to do this (the guild told you to) or you think your choice is better.
if you think you know better then tell us why and we can either be persuaded or give you a better explanation of why the cookie cutter choice was made.
the alternative to all these options is that you haven't read the stickies and in that case you're wasting our time completely.
i suppose i'm just a little disappointed with the many many threads like this that crop up and i just happen to be posting it here but i don't see the point in "rate this spec" threads. if you care enough to post about it then you probably care enough to be the best you can be. so use a cookie cutter because that's what you'll be told.
...maybe the phrase "cookie cutter" itself is the problem here. it connotes 'bog standard', 'basic' or 'minimum' instead of 'perfectly balanced' or 'optimised'. the specs that are considered 'cookie cutters' aren't just idiot-proof, simple specs they're finely tuned and endlessly debated.
if you're not that interested in maximising your dps in groups then that's fine but if you're looking for advice on a spec then the advice you will receive can all be found in the stickies.
(yes, insomnia again. apologies. it seems i wax philosophical when i can't sleep >.<)
Post by
316719
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Post by
Spudnik
Not in an encounter where there arent any heavy single target, randomly targeted abilities being used. So since, most fights do not have that, no.
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