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Plz stop needing on spiritgear
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Post by
ljudsnubbe
Hi warlocks!
I play a shadowpriest, and Im just getting tired of warlocks needing on spiritheavy gear.
Yes, I do know you get 30% spellpower from it, but other classes have far more use for it that you.
1: the reason why spirit is on the gear in the first place is REGEN. Since warlocks have no talents to allow spiritbased regen during casting its useless for you from that point of view.
2: Other classes gain spellpower fron spirit to. Yes we gain a lower % of it (10-25%), but instead we have spiritboosing talents (Im talking Priests, Mages, and Druids). 100 points of spirit for a warlock is like 115 for them/us, so the the total amount of spellpower gained for each point of spirit is roughly the same (exept for mages, no spellpower gained, just regen).
From a shadowpriests point of view, (since I know that class better then mage/druid) I have to say spirit is way superior to us then for you. Talents give us 10% of spirit into spellpower, 10% more for 10sec after crit through Glyph of shadow (and that buff is pretty much up 75-100%), 10% spiritboost and 20% regen while casting for 8 sec if that crit is from Mindblast or SW:death (impr Spirit tap), 100% spiritboost and 50% regen while casting for 15 sec every time we kill mob that gain exp/honor (adds at bossfight, grinding etc. Gives ALOT of regen and a pretty massive spellpowerboost) throuhg Spirit tap, and a constant 30% regen while casting throug meditation.
That is worth a hell of a lot more then you 30% spellpower (from unbuffed spirit)
I guess I get all of you against me now, but Im just so tired of reading "OH! Warlockweapon" on all spiritgear on wowhead databank. Its the new "Hunterweapon!" for christ sake..
Anyway, just wanted to start a discussion (maybe Im missing something?), but imo you should pass spirit gear to classes that could have more use for it: Priests, healer Druid, Arcane mages. Maybe even more?
Ok, Ive dropped the bomb: hit me back! I wanna know you oppinion on this!
Post by
WoWTheoryCraft
We've had this discussion already and pretty much all the sane posters here agree with you.
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Post by
PureGold
Okay got to about half way then it went TLDR...
So the gist is you want us to stop getting improvements because it is very slightly more useful for you...?
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289853
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Post by
asakawa
lol, it's good that you recognise this will be unpopular.
your problem isn't with warlocks it's with blizzard. they homogenized the gear and gave us (thank gods) a reason to have a use for that same big gear pile that everyone else is fighting over.
the way current gear is itemized gear will have stam + int + spellpower and (generalising horribly here) 2 other things. this will be spirit, haste, crit or hit.
affliction locks need to cap their hit but other than that spirit is actually a very good stat to get and will come with a lot of the gear that they would want even if it didn't have the spirit. destro or demo locks, generally, wouldn't be optimising if they're going for spirit simply because it would mean the item would likely be lacking a more useful stat (haste or crit).
it's also very much worth pointing out that lifetap scales from spirit. this is easily overlooked but very important.
the problem is that you have a perceived entitlement to this gear that you never had and don't deserve and that's a problem you're going to have to get over on your own.
the rolls you see from warlocks on this gear isn't people taking 'second best' or a slight upgrade instead of waiting for the proper items to drop. it is, very often, locks rolling on the best items that they can get and you need to change your thinking.
Post by
PureGold
The question is what do you mean by heavyspirit gear. I agree with you that clear "spirit gear" should be passed by us (warlocks), but there are plenty of stuff that carry a quite big amount of spirit (e. g.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37360
);, where the spirit is the second biggest stat) ... it also depends on these equip stats.
I think that stuff with Equip: +mana per sec is clearly for healers, but other stuff with +hit/crit/haste should be "needed" by all DPS classes.
We can discuss about rolling those items, which only adds spell power... but I wouldnt do that as those items are quite rare in end-game playing...
Mainly because more stats are needed, what use is spellpower if you have no mana to use it?
Post by
PureGold
the problem is that you have a perceived entitlement to this gear that you never had and don't deserve and that's a problem you're going to have to get over on your own.
the rolls you see from warlocks on this gear isn't people taking 'second best' or a slight upgrade instead of waiting for the proper items to drop. it is, very often, locks rolling on the best items that they can get and you need to change your thinking.
I think I'm going to have to quote this in game everytime someone complains.
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289853
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Post by
WoWTheoryCraft
I think a big part of the "problem" is that people are rushing into heroics and raids under-geared to the extent that virtually any caster item that drops is an upgrade.
Couple that with the blurring of the lines on which stats are appropriate for each class and you have the perfect recipe for much drama and QQing.
Post by
PureGold
I think a big part of the "problem" is that people are rushing into heroics and raids under-geared to the extent that virtually any caster item that drops is an upgrade.
Couple that with the blurring of the lines on which stats are appropriate for each class and you have the perfect recipe for much drama and QQing.
If it wasn't this then it would be something else, honestly. QQing happens, its unstoppable.
Post by
irharry
EDIT: I read the OP, and immediately ranted. Asakawa said most of this already after actually reading the replies however :)
Warlocks should not, ever, prioritise Spirit gear.
HOWEVER, we have absolutely zero in fight mana regen. That means ALL of our mana regen comes from Life Tap. Life Tap returns 1490 mana, plus 3*spirit.
On top of that, for approximately 2/3 of warlocks, its 39% of our spirit thats converted to spell damage, not 30%. You want to qupte talents that you think every priest has? Then do the same for warlocks.
If we don't have some spirit stacked to boost that out, we spend an inordinate amount of time life tapping - which completely kills our dps, and hurts our healers to boot.
So yes, you are partially right, we should not be prioritising Spirit, and I 100% agree we should NEVER be rolling on MP5 gear. However I will roll against a priest on items with spirit any day of the week, and I'll call YOU a noob if you try and blast me for it.
Post by
WoWTheoryCraft
and I 100% agree we should NEVER be rolling on MP5 gear.
But more MP5 = less GCDs used for Life Tap = higher DPS, no?
*Ducks and runs for cover*
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260787
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Post by
asakawa
lol, i agree... duck lower ^^
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289853
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Post by
ljudsnubbe
I totally agree with one of the previous posts,
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37360
and items like
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40602
where spirit is one part of a balanced set-stat, is good for any casters but plz: the new talents and modification on spells were added so spirit wasnt completly wasted on items for classes without use for it in BC, but there are still items that is better for one class then others.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40348
is IMO much more a warlockweapon then a shadowpriestweapon, so I would be damn sure no warlocks wanted it before I pressed that need-button. All I want is for warlocks to do the same for other casters.
But I have to admit, Im really @#$%ed at warlocks that need on
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40430
(ive seen it happen) and starts yelling "Spirit is spellpower for warlocks nOOb" when I complained.
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260787
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Post by
asakawa
agreed. that trinket is not for locks. as was said in that other thread, though, don't be mad at the lock for rolling just make sure you're in a raid that will tell the lock not to be silly and give that trinket to the resto druid.
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