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this is getting a bit boring now.
zuxia, how many people need to tell you that you're wrong before you believe us?
trash damage is unimportant so long as they die. boss damage is very important. analysing who in the raid is doing what kind of damage and dps in these 2 areas can give you an idea of how people need to improve.
if you're coming top of the list overall but not at the top on boss fights i would want to know why if i was your raid leader. chances are you have low hit rating. likewise if someone has very high dps but very low damage then i would want them to try harder because that very high dps could be much more useful to the raid.
you are defending an indefensible position and having someone arguing so hard for something so incorrect is dangerous because it means that forum readers leave here with some incorrect ideas.
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you're talking at crossed purposes zuxia. there are separate issues and you're confusing them.
a) there's trash dps vs boss dps
b) there's dps vs damage done
(a) is very easy. trash dps doesn't matter. anyone who is happy with themselves for performing well on trash meters can happily be ignored and discounted (you're putting yourself in this group)
(b) is worth a little more discussion and is more complicated. over this whole series of comments we've actually covered it pretty well, though you don't seem any closer to comprehending it... at this point i'm close to thinking you a lost cause.
i've honestly never given any though to which is most important, dps or overall damage until today. there's a reason for that. nobody cares. 95% of the time the player with the highest dps will have the highest damage. if this isn't the case then it may well be cause for concern and i would be very concerned about you.
is this making an impression? because i've done a lot of typing today and i'm sure you've read any of it. not only are you wrong but you're confused about what is worth discussing.
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*big sigh*
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first of all. i didn't say all of that so please take it out of quotes.
addressing your points.
1.what?
2.no. if you have done more overall damage on a raid but have lower dps than others it means one of 2 things. either the ones with higher dps than you could do more or you do well on trash but fail miserably on bosses. since you've said that others out damage you on bosses (and please can we drop this inane destro vs affliction thing!) then the most likely conclusion is that your hit rating is too low to be doing boss encounters suggesting your gear is worse than others.
all this would be very clear from a WWS parse.
3. i haven't tried to discredit damage over DPS. i've aimed to discredit you.
4. what? (english please)
5. you're missing the point AGAIN. overall damage is fine but can't be objectively discussed online. doing lots of damage in instances is what we're there for. what you are not grasping is the relationship between dps and damage. it's not that one, the other or both are important. one leads to the other.
6. who cares what looks and sounds better?
listen; you run a raid, you upload the log to WWS and the first thing you do is click the 'all bosses' button. if someone is top of the main meters then you click 'all bosses' and they're now number 5 then they're
not
doing well. at that point, do i care that they did 3mil damage over the raid? no. they didn't contribute to the parts of the raid that mattered and i would ask their class leader to talk to them about their playstyle.
it seems that you're advocating the position that being top of the meters is all that matters and that's not true.
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deep desto raid cookie cutter is
2/13/56
with the option of dropping a point in imp leech to put in shadowfury. Its a much more complicated spec to play than it looks, getting your timing down on backdrafts etc is tricky.
You must be kidding. 2 points in aftermath? For what reason do you call that cookiecutter? Where is the max points in cataclysm?
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asakawa
i'll ask you again to please edit your post that makes it look like i said things i did not. you should not put your comments in quotes with someone else's name, it's very rude.
This is also why trash is important
no it is
not
. if that's what you want to believe then who am i to tell you otherwise but i'm honestly doing you a favour when i repeatedly try to convince you that trash damage could barely matter less.
anyone who takes trash damage into account when engaged in serious discussion about the relative value of specs(/gear/raid make-up etc.) is a bad player who shows little understanding of the game they play.
what's you first language zuxia?
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