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[3.3] Intro to Death Knight Tanking
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Thanks for that, Stokesey. I took your post there and used it as the guts for the blood guide I just added. Now I won't have to deal with any blood tree enthusiasts who were preparing to berate me for not including their tree.
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Thanks for that. Makes a lot of sense now that you've pointed it out. I made it two BB in the followup group rotation instead since you'd probably want to save up Pestilence's cooldown for when you'd have to refresh the diseases on your next rotation.
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well being a DK tank for some time now ive played around with all the trees and tanked a bit with em. orinagly im a true unholy tanking fan. But as i was leveling i started thinking and theroizied on how trying to hold agro with dots can be a slow but stead build to group agro control. (go figure everyone see a DK tank and thinks they can aoe the !@#$ out of mobs) anyways. As my base unholy build would go i would do 7/11/53 get the added runic power while in combat and lichborn in frost. and would skip on ATZ and imp ATS, nice but well when u throw it up and its gone in 2 secs durnign heroics and raids its a lil bit of a long CD for the 6 point spend.
But as my thoughs and theroys came to blosson i came to see that useing dots to get agro on all mobs was great and extreamly usefull in the lower levels and even the reg and yes heroics. Once u get into raids and playing with epiced players your dots just dont build fast enough to keep the agro and your constly have to fight your way back on top ruining rotations. I then started thinking of going to frost ( ive tryed it befor but was never a huge fan) going frost u pick up the godly agro builder of Howling Blast. A fast quick burst damage aoe. Works great and a nub in your group agros the mobs and u have to react fast to players already attacking. but with frost u get weaker dots and r highly dependent on HB for the group agro, while grante dits more suited then unholy for boss tanking.
So i started thinking and playing on in the talent trees and comtamizied a build. u get the strong dots of uholy with bone shield along with the fast aoe burst of HB. sadly u r forced to abondan the 10% parry on blood CD but imo well worth it. i speced 0/32/39 something like that maybe 33/38 idk would have to see (to lazy) but it works for raids great and u can quickly gather the agro of the groups and heroics alike. Might just be me but DK tanks dont seem to be all the CC friendly with pest.. and HB so u partly forced to tank em all.
i wrote this as from a lot of u it seems u r all still gettign into the higher gear content and better geared players big thing to remember while leveling is we DK r also still buffed till about 75 and dont fully come into balance till 77 78ish, and at 80 we r just pally tanks (tanking dps stand point) with a lil more or a lil less. but when u get a mage, lock, and boomkin together for a run and r planign to aoe the pulls as a unholy DK and your loseing agro too 3k dps players cuz of your dots not ticking fast enough u will come across the same "wtf" senirio as i have lol. but all the same even in raids people dont like having to wait 5-6 secs to have to allow u to get the agro on the lil aoe groups.
on a side note a question to all u frost tanks out there. whats your view on the effectivness of the last tree skill? hungerign cold i belive its called. while i went frost every time i grabed it but to me never seemed worth it as once u use it people are always breaking it. (seems a bit to PvPish for me but i can see it great uses in PvE tanking.)
Here this is my Current Build the Hybrid tank::
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jZGxet0obohoZfg0cx0ogMV0co
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I haven't leveled high enough to consider taking Hungering Cold yet, and I'm with you that I believe its more of a pvp type ability, but I think I may ultimately pick it up. Although it would be my last talent point.
I understand that you want to get more punch out of your diseases and that is why you went for the hybrid build but I think you are gimping yourself if you don't take one of the expertise talents in Tundra Stalker or Rage of Rivendare or the strikes (I'm a big fan of Frost Strike).
I see you are speccing for DWing and I applaud you for giving it a try. However, without those expertise points I can see some potential tanking problems. But it sounds like you've done a fair bit of tanking already, so maybe it works out for you.
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well its not that i wouldnt love to run around with a 2 hander or that extra expertise rateing but simpley running aroud with a level 69-70 2-handed weapon of the champion loses one a lot of stam, D, parry, dodge and well a lot of very needed stats. Not to mention that just getting
Red Sword of Courage
give more dps then any green 2 hander tanking item. pair it with
Infantry Assult Blade
and your getting great stats. imo DW is more of a flavor one must learn to enjoy to advance past the bounds of 80
im curently sitting at 156 hit rating, and 5/5 expertise which gives me i belive 4% or 5.something%. my only major dislike with my build is loseing the 5 points in blood which i guess i could maybe put at least 1 point into it for that 2% parry.
all in all later be u 2 hand tank or DW tank its a double edge sword. 2-hand and advoid the numbers and pitfalls of parry haste but gimp your stat for tanking, or DW and imp your stats and sometimes screw yourself over, all in all adding expertise and hit to fix the DW problem is simpler to me then figuring out where to get all the extra lost stats from 2-handing. dam blizz not making epic 2 handed tanking weapons for us DK's
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