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3.3 enhancement glyphs
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Post by
MegaVolt
What will enhancement Shamans use in their glyph slots in 3.3?
Am I right to assume that this will be the new list:
Glyph of Feral Spirit
Glyph of Fire Elemental Totem
Glypf of Stormstrike
A 5 minute elemental (usable 2x in most boss fights) seems to be quite a significant dps increase and is surely worth picking up, right? Are Feral Spirits and Stormstrike still the two best glyphs, beating the Lava Lash, Windfury and Flametongue ones?
Post by
tomgc
Well a fight has to last more than 5 mins in order for the FET glyph to start increasing your DPS... right? I'd say it beats out your weakest glyph if you can pop the Elemental twice in a fight, it does do very high damage afterall. Boes less damage overall if the fight involves moving the boss away from your fire totem (can't nova)
Are Feral Spirits and Stormstrike still the two best glyphs, beating the Lava Lash, Windfury and Flametongue ones?
Yes
Post by
MegaVolt
The elemental will move quite far away from the totem to attack stuff. The radius is much bigger then e.g. a Magma Totem or even Searing Totem.
Id say that especially in movement heavy encounters or in encounters that leave you incapacitated in some way the elemental is valuable because it will provide nice background dps while the player is stunned or moving.
That reminds me: Will the elemental be affected by the Icehowl knockback and stun?
Post by
Fulgurah
@Mega - I'm not sure, but I believe the range issue was in illusion to our new Fire Nova spell. If the boss moves far away, it probably won't be in range of FN, even if the Fire Ele follows it (the Fire Ele moves, the actual totem does not). That will be a tough call if Magma/FN would be more DPS than Fire Ele.
Fire Eles can be knocked back by Icehowl/tail swiped by Ony and other dragons. Simple testing will show your Wolves and Fire Ele getting knocked all over the place. Although, if you're smart about your Fire Ele testing, he WILL DPS from the side of dragons. He doesn't act like a Pet, in other words, and does not automatically go behind a mob.
I'll personally be keeping a stack of Fire Ele glyphs and Windfury glyphs to swap depending on the fight. A 5-min Fire Ele makes me positively giddy though.
Post by
izuul
I'll personally be keeping a stack of Fire Ele glyphs and Windfury glyphs to swap depending on the fight. A 5-min Fire Ele makes me positively giddy though.
I'm planning on doing the same.
The 10-min CD reduction on FET is already pretty awesome in itself though. At the very least, we will have our fire elemental available on practically every fight.
Post by
Fulgurah
No doubt about it, ESPECIALLY on Progression fights. I hated having to decide "well, it looks like this may be the one" on something like H-25 Beasts when we were still learning it to actually use the damn thing. Choose incorrectly, it maybe 2 or 3 attempts before you can use it again!
Post by
Pachuca
So is the general consensus that, along with Feral Spirits and Stormstrike, the glyph of Fire Elemental Totem will be the go-to choice for PvE enhancement shamans?
Post by
tomgc
Assuming the glyph allows you to pop it twice per fight (and get enough use out of that second use), yes.
Post by
Fulgurah
That is my current understanding. I'd be willing to say if the fight is over 6 mins long, Glyph of Fire Elemental Totem is superior. That means you'd have a 3 minute uptime for a 6 minute fight (50%!) and at least a 4 minute uptime from fights 7-10 minutes long.
If a fight is less than 5-6 minutes and it won't matter what your CD on Fire Ele is because you'll only be able to use it once anyways, you are better served with Windfury. Which is why, again, I'll personally be carrying around a stack of both.
Post by
MegaVolt
Then again on guild progression (and we will probably all be doing a lot of that soon) you will wipe after 2 minutes and run in again. Having a 5 minute cooldown in the wipefest phase of the first hard modes might be very useful no matter the actual length of the encounter.
Post by
179738
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Post by
Fulgurah
All of that is true. I suppose I was taking the following for granted:
(1) Fire Elemental is off CD when you start a boss fight.
(2) You already have FT/ToW/Demonic Pact in the raid.
(3) There is a relatively stationary boss you are fighting, or at least in range of your Fire Ele totem.
(4) 0% chance of your Fire Ele dying before it's full duration.
Taking those for granted, you're right (as I said above), length of the fight matters the most here. If the fight is under 5-6 minutes, who cares. Glyph of Windfury is obvious superior. But I think if a fight is 6-9 minutes, the DPS you gain from your second Fire Ele totem will be better than the total DPS contribution from Glyph of Windfury through an entire fight of that duration.
To figure that out, we'd need to know how much DPS a Fire Ele totem does, how much DPS a Magma totem does, how much DPS Windfury Glyph does, and how much DPS we gain from NOT having to use a GCD for Magma Totem when Fire Ele is out.
Knowing all of that, it's just math. Admittedly, I don't have it all in front of me, so I'm just saying this for the sake of saying it.
Post by
canyoneagle
I'm in the same school of thought as Grimbard. My rationale is that
most
raid boss encounters are likely to be less than 7-8 minutes, so the glyph (imo) is not worth slotting in as a permanent replacement for WF. I like Inertius's idea of having a small stack of each for discretionary use when the glyph would be beneficial.
Post by
tomgc
I've been really confused as to what to do when the boss moves out of range of my Fire Elemental Totem. Do I pop Magma instead so I can Nova, or is the Elemental itself better?...
Also this is why I don't pop the Ele right at the start - I wait until I absolutely know the boss won't be moved so I can spam FN.
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